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New Trilogy vs Prequel - What Say You?

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New Trilogy vs Prequel - What Say You?

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jarjarloves
05.06.2018 , 10:49 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post
As bad as the prequels were in respects at least they have one major thing that the new ones don't have. DIRECTION. The new movies have absolutely zero idea where they are going and what they are doing.

Toss in forced diversity and social justice crap, just makes for terrible story telling.

I mean I can overlook a lot, but absolutely zero direction, no real plot development, horrible character arcs if any and just bad over all characters(yes 8 has TERRIBLE CHARACTERS) and completely destroying everything Luke Skywalker fought and gave for...

Yeah I'll take 1-3 any day. And I highly doubt JJ is going to save 9.
wait... you say the ST doesn't have direction... but the PT had an idea where they were going? ***? Even with the end point of Anakin being Vader they failed at showing his fall.

force diversity social justice crap.... ***?



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Third point. Personal belief. I'm just over African american or white or what have you. Why can't they jist be human?

that makes even less sense they are just human... so why are you complaining about it?

It's really weird considering the OT prided itself on its diveristy with having Leia not being a helpless princess and Lando. So how is the ST any different?

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No no. TLJ was diverse with humans for the sake of being diverse and well to the detriment to the story, what little of it there was.
ok so here's the problem.

now its more then ok to say the actors didn't do a good job. That's your opinion... but now you are also saying casting actors of different races HURT the story.... how? How could it do that? Unless you are actually trying to argue that an actors race determines how good of an actor they are.

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TalonVII
05.06.2018 , 11:23 AM | #32
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wait... you say the ST doesn't have direction... but the PT had an idea where they were going? ***? Even with the end point of Anakin being Vader they failed at showing his fall.

force diversity social justice crap.... ***?






that makes even less sense they are just human... so why are you complaining about it?

It's really weird considering the OT prided itself on its diveristy with having Leia not being a helpless princess and Lando. So how is the ST any different?


ok so here's the problem.

now its more then ok to say the actors didn't do a good job. That's your opinion... but now you are also saying casting actors of different races HURT the story.... how? How could it do that? Unless you are actually trying to argue that an actors race determines how good of an actor they are.
To the last question no. I think they didn't get the best actors for the job. It could of been a complete cast of (insert race here) and as long as the story and acting was there I seriously don't care.

Just look at the original star wars. Mostly white people as the principal actors but the story was good, acting was there so it didn't matter. It all came together to make a good story.

If you changed out all the principal people for black actors, long as the acting was there, wouldn't bother me for ANH. But the problem there is, Harrison, Carrie, Mark and Sir Alec made those roles iconic so yeah.

My biggest issue with the new cast characters, they are mostly 1 dimensional and flat. Hell out of all of them, Poe to me is the most interesting and he's right now less memorable than Wedge Antillies.

For as Dennis Lawson is in the original trilogy, he's far more memorable than any of the new cast.

To me that's a problem. Furthermore all of the characters suffer from seriously bad writing, especially in TLJ.

1. Where are the aliens?
2. Why are men completely shat upon as characters? Name 1 male in TLJ who did something right or didn't look like an idiot. Prime example is Finn. He got so robbed and made to look one again like an utter buffoon. Poe, is made to look like a loose cannon while probably being the most sane individual in the Resistance. Hux....don't even get me started on that jackwagon. Kylo? Is made to look like a weak repeatedly to pump up Rey and thereby rob him of any real threat.

And Luke. Oh poor Luke. I won't even touch that.

That's just characters. The story is a train wreck. The opening battle just merely shows that Mr Johnson has no clue about military tactics. There were plot contrivance, utter waste of time on Cantobyte, full frontal social justice in said wasted time and other things.

Honestly only things I did like was thd cinmatography was on point, the score was well done, and the flying sequence with the Falcon was pretty good.

It looked and sounded like a SW movie, but honestly reminded me of a poorly written fan anime screen adaptation. Not a well written cohesive story.

Hell I could of written that movie better!

Tell ya what I will do a thread breaking down TLJ and where Rian Johnson screwed up and how I would of fixed it.
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jarjarloves
05.06.2018 , 12:30 PM | #33
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Tell ya what I will do a thread breaking down TLJ and where Rian Johnson screwed up and how I would of fixed it.
please do because my next question was going to be what specifically was bad writing

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TalonVII
05.06.2018 , 01:27 PM | #34
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please do because my next question was going to be what specifically was bad writing
Won't be today, but I will sit down and do it.
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Lilaethe
05.08.2018 , 03:59 AM | #35
So far, IMHO, neither the Prequels nor the Sequels have matched the Originals. I'd have to say that there are fewer characters that I dislike in the Prequels than in the Sequels - something I never thought would be possible!