Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Title says it all. If not than are there any other examples of such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoxTheHero Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Title says it all. If not than are there any other examples of such? No, Mace was not a Dark Jedi. He had learned to master his emotions and turn them into a weapon. Straighter examples of Dark Jedi would be Exar Kun pre-Dxun, Ulic Qel-Droma while infiltrating the Kranth, Quinlan Voss, A'sharad Hett, Anakin Skywalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartalectwo Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Tricky one, this. 'Dark Jedi' is usually a name for any force-user who uses a lightsaber and has fallen to the Dark Side - but is not a Sith. Windu was a Jedi Master. He was a Jedi Master that was closer to the Dark Side than usual, but he didn't use the Dark Side and he never fell to the Dark Side. So, he was always a Jedi. The awkward things about the examples given above (except for Quinlan Vos, I think) is that they all became Sith, so it's unclear if they qualify as 'dark Jedi'. Edited January 17, 2012 by smartalectwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hmm okay well I wil definately look those guys up on wookie. I only ask beause I'm leveling a Zabrak jedi dark side for the looks and I want to understand it better Thank you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoxTheHero Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Tricky one, this. 'Dark Jedi' is usually a name for any force-user who uses a lightsaber and has fallen to the Dark Side - but is not a Sith. Windu was a Jedi Master. He was a Jedi Master that was closer to the Dark Side than usual, but he didn't use the Dark Side and he never fell to the Dark Side. So, he was always a Jedi. The awkward things about the examples given above (except for Quinlan Vos, I think) is that they all became Sith, so it's unclear if they qualify as 'dark Jedi'. It's a slippery slope. Almost all of them became Sith at some point, but Quinlan did not, he went off on his own to raise a family. Ulic had to be stripped from the Force in order to begin his path to redemption, killing his brother Cay was where he drew the line and spent the rest of his life in exile. We all know the story of Anakin though, we all know he got redeemed in the end as well, even if his redemption lasted a shorter time than Ulic's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's a slippery slope. Almost all of them became Sith at some point, but Quinlan did not, he went off on his own to raise a family. Ulic had to be stripped from the Force in order to begin his path to redemption, killing his brother Cay was where he drew the line and spent the rest of his life in exile. We all know the story of Anakin though, we all know he got redeemed in the end as well, even if his redemption lasted a shorter time than Ulic's. ohh interesting I had forgetten about Anakin. So pretty much him pre-Vader to a degree at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoxTheHero Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 ohh interesting I had forgetten about Anakin. So pretty much him pre-Vader to a degree at least Aye, I'd say just about anything you see of Anakin in episode 3 before the showdown between Palps and Windu would classify him as a Dark Jedi (even though he was far, far less whiny than he was in Ep 2, and actually showed the ability to think rationally in the beginning of the movie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobinator Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Im sorry...I laughed at the title... Im going to hell arent I? (I would say he was..."close" as he created Juyo, a rather radical and dangerous form because you used your emotions which could be bad...but he was a master and could control himself easier.) Edited January 17, 2012 by Bobinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusedullfaen Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Im sorry...I laughed at the title... Im going to hell arent I? (I would say he was..."close" as he created Juyo, a rather radical and dangerous form because you used your emotions which could be bad...but he was a master and could control himself easier.) He created and used Vapaad, not Juyo. A style that requires you to allow yourself to enjoy the fight in short, Mace was the only Jedi who managed to practice the style without falling. EDIT: Fun fact that has nothing to do with this, Mace Windu wields a purple saber because purple is Samuel L. Jackson's favourite colour and he specifically asked George Lucas for it. So we can thank Sam himself for those sweet purple sabers. Edited January 17, 2012 by Krusedullfaen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 ^ Yes I heard that about the lightsaber as well. Thanks Mr Jackson! And without starting another thread, can someone tell me why the republic has a cyan saber instead of purple? Who used a cyan saber in any of the movies or extended universe I would like to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartalectwo Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Who used a cyan saber in any of the movies or extended universe I would like to know According to Wookiepaedia, the Jedi Exile of KOTOR 2. Funnily enough. Edited January 17, 2012 by smartalectwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkastio Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Title says it all. If not than are there any other examples of such? Dark Jedi does not mean a jedi that is a bit darker and has more emotions, it means a dark side force user that does not follow the cult of the sith. The common misconception is that Sith is a broad term for all dark side force users, the sith are a specfic cult of dark side force users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 wookiepedia says that its possible Revan used a cyan crystal as well http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mantle_of_the_Force This could bring into question the choice to have purple sabers for Empire and cyan for Republic. Granted Revan was both (or something of the like, Im not very good at the lore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iaius Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 He was pretty close to falling. He'd decided to commit treason and circumvent the laws of the Republic by assaulting the Supreme Chancellor and--if necessary--seizing control of the Senate itself. Due process, Windu says? What's that? If Skywalker hadn't stopped Windu, it's likely Windu would have killed Palpatine outright because he simply couldn't be bothered to do things right. That sort of shoddy moral justification is exactly what leads people astray. Palpatine would have won either way. If he were killed by Windu, the Jedi would have simply become the very thing they were trying to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgiffo Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't Meetra Surik count? She followed Revan in the mandalorian war but stopped short of becoming sith. Edited January 17, 2012 by Bgiffo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharagonIGN Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 He was pretty close to falling. He'd decided to commit treason and circumvent the laws of the Republic by assaulting the Supreme Chancellor and--if necessary--seizing control of the Senate itself. Due process, Windu says? What's that? If Skywalker hadn't stopped Windu, it's likely Windu would have killed Palpatine outright because he simply couldn't be bothered to do things right. That sort of shoddy moral justification is exactly what leads people astray. Palpatine would have won either way. If he were killed by Windu, the Jedi would have simply become the very thing they were trying to fight. Dammit, now I want to see an alternative universe where Windu kills Palpatine and convinces Anakin to help him gain control of the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Dammit, now I want to see an alternative universe where Windu kills Palpatine and convinces Anakin to help him gain control of the Republic. Now that would have been an interesting "what if" movie (or book or whatever). Dammit, I can't ever think I will shake this from my head now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkestDaemon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Now that would have been an interesting "what if" movie (or book or whatever). Dammit, I can't ever think I will shake this from my head now So... Mace Windu would become Dark Lord of the Republic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Possibly but probably not the "Dark Lord" that Palp was. But who knows, maybe Mace would have known the severity of what he had done and the only way to show Anakin the light would be to turn himself (Mace) in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusedullfaen Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Possibly but probably not the "Dark Lord" that Palp was. But who knows, maybe Mace would have known the severity of what he had done and the only way to show Anakin the light would be to turn himself (Mace) in. I don't really think there would be any real consequences. The guy was a Sith Lord, nobody has seemed to care about due process when it comes to Sith before, why would they now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticChilli Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Im sorry...I laughed at the title... Im going to hell arent I? (I would say he was..."close" as he created Juyo, a rather radical and dangerous form because you used your emotions which could be bad...but he was a master and could control himself easier.) hohohoho, i didn't even see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I don't really think there would be any real consequences. The guy was a Sith Lord, nobody has seemed to care about due process when it comes to Sith before, why would they now? Hmm I see what you mean. Oh well Mace has been one of my favorite masters for a long time, just sad I would have to go Empire to use the same saber crystal color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkestDaemon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hmm I see what you mean. Oh well Mace has been one of my favorite masters for a long time, just sad I would have to go Empire to use the same saber crystal color. You could play a Light side Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trellen Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 You could play a Light side Sith. I might just do that after I get this Jedi Knight up. I've played empire my past few characters into mid 20s (trying to understand each class a little better) and I want to take a break from the same linear planets and questing areas. Republic is still new to me. But beggars cant be choosers and I can respect BW enough not to complain too much about their choices. Lightsabers look amazing in this game to me anyways and that should be enough. Random question though and this was bugging me. I know lightsabers cant be used underwater because theyre electrical, but what if you turn on the saber out of water and dip a portion of the blade in water? Does the blade stop where it touches the water and just boil it? Or would the blade continue in as far as it goes because its so hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkestDaemon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I might just do that after I get this Jedi Knight up. I've played empire my past few characters into mid 20s (trying to understand each class a little better) and I want to take a break from the same linear planets and questing areas. Republic is still new to me. But beggars cant be choosers and I can respect BW enough not to complain too much about their choices. Lightsabers look amazing in this game to me anyways and that should be enough. Random question though and this was bugging me. I know lightsabers cant be used underwater because theyre electrical, but what if you turn on the saber out of water and dip a portion of the blade in water? Does the blade stop where it touches the water and just boil it? Or would the blade continue in as far as it goes because its so hot? I'm pretty sure they work underwater, I remember watching an episode of the animated Clone Wars, not the CG, with Kit Fisto leading a counterattack against Separatist forces. He had his lightsaber ignited underwater on the Nautolan homeworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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