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Pyrotech / Plasmatech Set Bonuses and Tactical Items

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Pyrotech / Plasmatech Set Bonuses and Tactical Items
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EricMusco
04.16.2019 , 10:07 AM | #1 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Hey folks,

Following our Onslaught announcement at SW Celebration we want to start diving into feedback right away. I want to use this thread to talk about Tactical Item effects and Set Bonuses for Pyrotech and Plasmatech Disciplines. Our goal for set bonuses is to introduce new bonuses, and potentially with even new sizes so you can mix and match. Tactical Items are a new item type that is meant to be build defining and most likely to directly impact how an ability works. For inspiration here are two completely made up Chain Lightning Examples:
  1. Chain Lightning now does all of its total damage to only one target, and no longer jumps.
  2. Chain Lightning now jumps even more and does additional damage to secondary targets.

That would allow you to take a standard ability and allow it to be modified to fit your playstyle. Please use this thread to brainstorm ideas and make as many recommendations as you would like! For context:
  • Tactical Items: These should modify one of your Advanced Class/Discipline abilities to work differently. The goal is for you to use the ability in situations you previously wouldn’t (more often, against specific targets, etc)
  • Set Bonuses: These should be focused on the broader “kind of tools” your class uses, but not specific abilities. Some examples are sets that center around bleeds, force damage, lightning, shields, cover, and so on.
Set bonuses, tacticals, both, let us know what you would like to see. I may not respond frequently in this thread but know that I am going to be compiling everything and sending it over to the team.

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shyroman
04.16.2019 , 10:50 AM | #2
One part of the pyro rotation that most people don't like it just how many auto attacks you have to use compared to every other spec. A set bonus that makes explosive fuel vent a significant amount of heat, maybe 3 per second while it is active, would really enhance the enjoyment of the spec while also making the rotation feel a bit different. That would make it viable for all PT specs, but if you wanted to make it pyro specific, all dots that tick under explosive fuel could vent heat, and make the heat venting similarly balanced to what I mentioned above. That way although it could still be used in AP, it wouldn't be nearly as impactful as in pyro.
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Huskernutz
04.16.2019 , 05:23 PM | #3
Gonna second Ryann's comment about our heat management here, the shear number of uses of rapid shot that are required in the pyro rotation (around 20) just to keep heat manageable is not fun at all and needs to be resolved somehow, either through spec passives or the set bonuses.

to keep with focus on "kinds of tools" that pyro uses here's a couple set ideas:

Dot Based Set
Our three main dots in pyro typically only account for ~30% of our damage so this set would be focused around increasing the damage our dots do and giving interactions with heat management through dots. Following the current idea of a 6-set bonus the 2 piece here would give a minor increases to periodic effect damage (maybe 5-10% damage and some crit bonus) and make rail shot be guaranteed to proc Combustible Gas Cylinder. the 4 piece would centered around heat management making it so periodic damage that crits vents 1-2 heat (similar idea to lightning burns) and not have an icd so that when you're using EF this bonus occurs far more often, this would allow us to have far less heat generation during downtime between TSO and Vent Heat since we could have up to 8-9 passive heat dissipation on a given GCD but not always since it's reliant on crits. The 6 set would in this case then center around our high damage CDs (Explosive Fuel and Shoulder Cannon) giving extra crit damage multiplier to dot effects while under EF and causing uses of Shoulder Cannon while under EF to apply a high damage dot to the target, this would not only inform inexperienced players that they need to sync up EF and SC for damage but also give a defined interaction between our two damage CDs that keeps with the theme of the set.

Elemental Damage Set
this set would be focused on increasing the overall damage of all our elemental damage type abilities not just the dots and would give active interaction with heat management rather than the passive interaction in the other set. here the 2 piece would increase critical damage multiplier on all elemental damage by around 5-10% to follow the idea of pyro having a lot of crit bonses in the discipline tree. The 4 piece would, similarly to the other set, give some active heat management to us, like having our elemental damage grant stacks which reduce the heat cost of a high heat generating ability like searing wave or rail shot and cause the ability to do more damage, this would again work to increase heat dissipation between uses of TSO and Vent Heat. The 6 piece would similarly give an interaction with EF causing all of our elemental damage to deal damage as if in execute and also increase the bonus of our execute passive burnout from 10% to 20-30% while under the effect of EF which would give us more impact on the use of one of our damage CDs.

Tactical Item Ideas
  • AoE Burst Item: causes elemental damage that crits to increase the damage and reduce the heat cost of deadly onslaught
  • Grapple-Themed Item: removes the minimum range of grapple, causing it to root the target if within 10m and grant a small movement speed increase if grapple pulled or root and enemy
  • Fusion Missile-esk effect for Searing Wave: searing wave no longer deals damage in a cone, but rather requires a target dealing damage to the main target and radial AoE damage 10m around the target where the majority of the damage is to the main target
  • Shatter Slug Item: reduces the heat cost of shatter slug by 5 and causes shatter slug to increase the target cap of your next flame sweep by 8, it's damage by 100% and cause flame sweep to grant two stacks of superheated flamethrower
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PrometheanDeath
04.17.2019 , 08:37 AM | #4
Pyro is perhaps one of my favorite specs, aside from PT in general, so totally agree with the very underwhelming use of basic attacks that it has. Going to include a couple heat options that could potentially work along with a couple others.

Pyro
-Incendiary missile loses it's initial damage hit, but vents 3 heat whenever it deals damage. To compensate for the loss of the minor hit at the beginning it would allow for more heat options leading to more filler flame bursts.
-When Superheated Flamethrower is refreshed past 2 stacks, reduce the heat cost of searing wave by 3 heat. An incentive to push heat with flame bursts to allow a lower cost searing wave in a rather interesting way to do so.
-Scorch can now bounce to a target that is already affected by scorch, and adds 30 seconds of duration to the existing scorch. For those of the scorch spreaders out there who scorch every target imaginable since we can't spread it with searing, there is now an incentive to do so as you can have some long lasting dots for more filler uses instead of scorch refresh.
-Immolate now deals 30% reduced damage but damages up to 8 targets within 5m in front of you. Losing your single target Immolate bursts for the sake of AoE, more defining AP to be the single target spec and Pyro the AoE.

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Tarackian
04.17.2019 , 09:45 AM | #5
Pyro/Plasma desperately needs something to help with survival. I like the gameplay mechanics of the spec, but it's so squishy it's basically unusable in many situations.

How about a tactical item that contributes to damage reduction based on how many dots you have active? Or maybe an item that returns health when your dots crit similar to the marauder's annihilation spec.

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MuskyBoy
04.17.2019 , 05:49 PM | #6
I think one set bonus perk could be critical DOTS regenerate 3 heat to help alleviate the tediousness of pyro and the basic attack fillers it requires.

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Predatism
04.18.2019 , 10:50 AM | #7
Stop complaining about Pyro you *******. It is well based PvE spec at the moment. Usage of basic abilities is the only thing which makes it not #1 DPS spec in the game. The only thing you should separate is single target and AoE sets. This will be ridiculous to farm as for Solo Ranked its better to have single burst, for regs fluff - AoE set; some operation bosses consist of single target fights and some are AoE. This will just just cause top-tier players to grind multiple sets of gear for single character. Just make it either full AoE or full single target with Tactical Item as switch. By making it single target you could increase damage done by Searing Wave. For AoE make Flame Sweep spread dots as well and increase damage of it so it'd be useful even on 2 targets.

Regarding set bonus, you should first of all spread PvE and PvP gear back and make different set bonuses like few years ago so PvP set bonus would boost class' utility and survivability while PvE one would be focused on damage output.
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LeeThorogood
04.21.2019 , 07:08 PM | #8
Idea: Shatter Slug now spreads Incendiary Missile DoT when it hits a target that is already affected.

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Sylriana
04.22.2019 , 02:44 PM | #9
I feel like Pyro's heat management being bad is more like a general issue than a tactical item bandaid. Tactical items sound like they're supposed to be ways to customize your playstyle. Stuff that fundamentally changes how you want to use an ability.

An idea:
item 1: Significantly reduce Shoulder Cannon's cooldown and dramatically increases its damage, but instead of loading missiles over time now fires a single missile at a target upon activation before going on cooldown.

This item increases the upfront burst shoulder cannon offers and slows the rotation down by getting rid of the shoulder missile weaving aspect of gameplay for people who are into that.

Then on the flip side

Item 2: Shoulder Cannon now loads additional missiles per tick or the loading buff lasts longer but each missile does less damage. If you really want to go crazy here add cooldown reduction.

Provide a DPS gain over the long run at the cost of instant damage and speed up the rotation by making missile weaving a much more common part of the rotation. Turn your PT into a veritable missile platform constantly shooting rockets at people in between attacks.

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SpleneticGamer
04.23.2019 , 11:12 AM | #10
Tactical Items:

Immolate is now an AoE ability that damages any target within 8m of the original. Flame Sweep radius is also increased to 8m. Searing Wave now is a 8m AoE around you (instead of the cone that doesnt really feel too wide. I would also be satisfied if the cone was a bit wider immediately in front of you) that can also spread Scorch as well now. (Imagine the AoE)

All DoTs do X% (150% because why not) more damage and all other attacks deal Y% (maybe like 10% or whatever is needed to keep the class in line with where it is supposed to be) less (makes DoTs stronger for more of a sustained feel).

Kolto Overload now heals up to 70% of your max health, heals twice as much per tick, and heals twice as fast. Additionally, Kolto Overload lasts4 seconds longer. (might be too powerful in PvP and the numbers may need to be tweaked given the low cooldown of Kolto Overload for this spec)

Set bonuses:

2pc Explosive Fuel vents 3 heat per second for the duration and increases all DoT damage by X% for the duration.

4pc: Immolate causes your next searing wave to deal 20% more damage. Immolate additionally causes all of your DoTs to tick for X% more damage for Y seconds (allow for 50% up-time on this like Annihilation Marauder gets)

6pc: Rail Shot causes the cooldown of Flaming fist to immediately finish once every X seconds. Additionally, Thermal Sensor Override has 2 stacks when used now.