Bioware listened to the users instead of having a coherent vision of what they wanted to do with the old republic, that is why swtor is such a mess. Edited May 25, 2013 by ThornKrell

so...no one should ever voice Feedback? gotcha.

I dispute the very notion this game is a failure. I think it's a great MMO.

so...no one should ever voice Feedback? gotcha.

 

He actually has a point. Back in the days of Everquest the common belief was that PvP was the driving force behind all MMO's. The makers of EQ were smart enough to look at why people weren't playing the PvP-heavy MMO's of the day, and not the few who were. They removed PvP from the equation completely which allowed "casual" gamers a chance to actually play, it allowed them to design a character class system without the crutch of having to balance it for PvP, and the result was a game that was different and it blew away every other game on the market.

 

EA only listened to focus groups of WoW players.

 

Had they listened to the people who don't play WoW, they would likely have a much better game and a much bigger audience.

Actually, Bioware didn't really listen to anybody. This was well documented during beta.

Bioware listened to the users

 

MY NAME IS DARTH MOONSHADOW AND I FIGHT FOR THE USERS!

 

*throws light up disc*

Funny thread, considering how many threads we got in the past complaining that bioware were not listening to the users at all

 

Also the game is not a failure for me. It does entertain me and as such it is more a success than smurfcraft or gullywars ever will be.

Actually, Bioware didn't really listen to anybody. This was well documented during beta.

 

This.

OP, they never listened to anyone; hence all the BS this game suffers from.

This.

OP, they never listened to anyone; hence all the BS this game suffers from.

 

They did listen, just to the biggest whiners. Why do you think companion deaths were removed and the mass amount of servers at launch?

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Very informative post! Ty OP

They did listen, just to the biggest whiners. Why do you think companion deaths were removed and the mass amount of servers at launch?

 

Or Bolster..

They released a 2007 game in the year 2011/2012

Alot changed between then, and when they were confronted and bombarded about this by players who wanted a modern mmo they didn't know what to do and panicked

BioWare had a vision and did not listen to customers, especially to feedback during game test. Because they had that vision and stuck to it with a death grip and never acted upon volumes of very consistent game tester feedback, the game crashed and burned in the spring of 2012.

 

BW/EA management at that point made an executive decision, one I hated then but I now know was the only reasonable one to make, and saved the game by switching direction to a mixed model.

 

Today the game has passed its low point of both players and revenue and, according to the most recent EA earnings call on which they cannot lie under threat of severe legal penalties, is growing at a nice clip.

 

So, OP, yes, you are absolutely correct. The developers never had a vision and flailed about, listening only to player feedback, and that is why the game is now crashing and burning. Or something.

I actually agree with the OP to an extent. The problem isn't that BioWare listens to players, it's that it chooses to only listen to those groups of players who are the most vocal. As a result, every single feature they've added to appease to them have been half-assed in their implementation, from group-finder, to customizable U.I.'s, Dromund Kaas taxi points, getting rid of class restrictions for Flashpoints...the list goes on and on.

the only thing they listen to is their stockholders. EA is a pariah!

The lack of playable Gungan Sith Lords is TOR's major failure. Nothing else you guys have mentioned comes close.

I dispute the very notion this game is a failure. I think it's a great MMO.

 

I agree. It's become one of my all-time favorite games, and by far my favorite MMO. It has its down points sure, but there is no such thing as a perfect game.

Edited May 26, 2013 by Cyberwoman

It's "because".

It's "because".

 

Can't believe it took this long for the mis-spell to be mentioned.

SWTORs failue is that the first step implimented when hemoraging players was to reduce personel, then impliment the new F2P mixed model. Now that it is growing it consistantly shows in the lack of programing and story content that made the game good.

IMO this post would have been relevant before the launch of free to play, the Cartel Market, appearance kiosk, dye system, achievements, Orange adaptable gear added to the store from popular design requests...but now it seems like it is completely off base.

 

These are all items that the community requested from launch in whole or in part. It seems this post belonged back then...but it does not apply now.

Edited May 26, 2013 by LordArtemis

The lack of playable Gungan.....

 

Just that half would crack me up if BW had a massive brain fart and decided to introduce playable Gungans....

 

Sith....Gungan.

 

One would wonder how they ever made it off Korriban....

Just that half would crack me up if BW had a massive brain fart and decided to introduce playable Gungans....

 

Sith....Gungan.

 

One would wonder how they ever made it off Korriban....

 

There actually was a sith lord Gungan. Not much is known about them, but they existed.

The lack of playable Gungan Sith Lords is TOR's major failure. Nothing else you guys have mentioned comes close.

 

/Thread.

Actually, Bioware didn't really listen to anybody. This was well documented during beta.

 

^ /thread

 

And the blame needs not to fall on BW, but fully on EA. BW does what EA tells them too.