it needs to stop , maybe it happened in the movie but that doesn't mean it should continue

- using the force to move objects is understandable from a user that is force-sensitive but doing it over the telephone is a " fart " regarding any kind of explained lore

You are right the movie have it and I still do not get how it works. But if you can do that from the phone why would anyone with the force bother to get out of their room to do stuff especially executions.

"Hey an admiral betrayed the empire."

Force choked from 10 million light years away

"He is dead

Well, it's in the films, therefore it's part of established "canon" lore, whether or not the mechanism is explained.

 

With that out of the way, it's worth noting that the choker has to be in a holocall with the chokee - there's no instance of someone being Force-choked "out of nowhere" in the films *or* in the game.

 

I refer the interested readers to one of the novellas in Larry Niven's The Long Arm of Gil Hamilton, where the protagonist has a psychic power similar to using the Force. The power isn't super-rare, but in Gil Hamilton's case, it's way stronger than most people's because (following an amputation), he develops the power as a substitute for his amputated arm, and it is (mostly) limited to the range / orientations / etc. of a real arm. He can use the power to lift a shot glass full of drink, but not much more than that.

 

It's revealed in the third of the novellas that he can overcome the range limitation in one way, however. Communicators aren't *holo*, but are like video-skype or FaceTime, and he can reach through the screen as if it was a window to the other end. If he could reach an object on the other side with his real arm (if it had been a real window), he can reach it through the communications system with his psychic arm.

 

Perhaps holochoke works like that?

You are right the movie have it and I still do not get how it works. But if you can do that from the phone why would anyone with the force bother to get out of their room to do stuff especially executions.

"Hey an admiral betrayed the empire."

Force choked from 10 million light years away

"He is dead

- it has to be somewhat explained

- presumably force-sensitives can affect object at their will

BUT really

- even using force powers between floors is pushing it

Well, it's in the films, therefore it's part of established "canon" lore, whether or not the mechanism is explained.

 

With that out of the way, it's worth noting that the choker has to be in a holocall with the chokee - there's no instance of someone being Force-choked "out of nowhere" in the films *or* in the game.

 

I refer the interested readers to one of the novellas in Larry Niven's The Long Arm of Gil Hamilton, where the protagonist has a psychic power similar to using the Force. The power isn't super-rare, but in Gil Hamilton's case, it's way stronger than most people's because (following an amputation), he develops the power as a substitute for his amputated arm, and it is (mostly) limited to the range / orientations / etc. of a real arm. He can use the power to lift a shot glass full of drink, but not much more than that.

 

It's revealed in the third of the novellas that he can overcome the range limitation in one way, however. Communicators aren't *holo*, but are like video-skype or FaceTime, and he can reach through the screen as if it was a window to the other end. If he could reach an object on the other side with his real arm (if it had been a real window), he can reach it through the communications system with his psychic arm.

 

Perhaps holochoke works like that?

 

In the new canon Vader force choked an officer trough the radio so explain that.

I don't see an issue with it, for me Force Choking was always about visualizing who you want to use the power on and whether or not you're able to. We don't see Sith Acolytes perfoming that only powerful Sith so for me its feasible they would be able to pull that off.

In the new canon Vader force choked an officer trough the radio so explain that.

*I* don't have to explain it. And anyway, the Force is entirely fictional, so it works the way the writer wants it to work.

 

The obvious explanation is that the call (voice-only(1) or holo or flat-screen video, whatever) acts as a "path" that helps the choker to visualise the chokee (as noted by FlameYOL).

 

(1) I have serious doubts that it's "radio" in any technical sense.

Remember what Yoda said, size matters not. So it propably is just a lot harder or at least harder to learn how to force choke people through 'phone'. Or maybe it takes more energy. Every force user has some different skills, not all of them can do everything or at least as well or naturally as others. So maybe some can just do it better than others and some cant do it at all. Some can only do it on weak minded inviduals etc etc.

 

There are always millions of variables for everything, and Force is very mysterious and there are multiple different cults who use it in different ways, see it differently, understand it differently, can do different things with it.

When you see someone do something with Force, there propably is something else that many others can do but they can't. In real life and partially in Star Wars this is because you simply only have so much time available, you simply don't have time to learn everything.

 

Some Force users propably are naked fanatics just to be better in touch with the Force

Edited November 24, 2019 by TheRomanRuler

What does distance really matter? The Force is everywhere and flows everywhere.

 

Seriously, we have cases in legends of force users doing incredibly massive acts on a huge scale (supernovas, massive force storms etc.) or even Luke telepathically summoning all Jedi from all over the galaxy. It is implied that it gets a great deal more difficult and requires more energy to act on something when it is outside of the range of your physical senses, but hardly impossible for someone skilled.

Why do force users of such skill then do not deal with their enemies from the comfort of wherever they are in the galaxy why Vader for example has to personally go and kill the enemies of the empire for the most part. The same for Palapatine when he does it like he did it with Darth Maul.

Why do force users of such skill then do not deal with their enemies from the comfort of wherever they are in the galaxy why Vader for example has to personally go and kill the enemies of the empire for the most part. The same for Palapatine when he does it like he did it with Darth Maul.

 

Because it is hard, and the more removed from senses they are, the more difficult it gets, up to the point of being practically impossible. The fact Vader can do it is meant to demonstrate his considerable power and skill.

 

We also see Vader's considerable ability to sense his surroundings at a great distance when Obi-wan boards the death star and Luke enters the Endor system. Using a communication link of some kind to focus his senses to a specific target to then use the force would not be that difficult for one such as him. Otherwise, he would have to sift through an exponentially increasing number of life forms to identify and eliminate his target.

 

Besides identifying a target, there also the matter of the energy required to use the Force at that distance. When Ezra was talking to Palpatine, he ordered his guards to kill him, rather than doing it himself, since projecting the force from Imperial Center (core world) to Lothal (outer rim) would have been just so much harder, and may not even have been that effective since Ezra is a Force user and could probably resist it to some extent.

 

And we see the consequences of using the Force over too great a distance in TLJ with Luke.

 

There is also something to be said for the personal touch, which dark side force users would probably appreciate

 

And lets face it, the Rebels probably know better than to answer suspicious phone calls for far more mundane reason

The Force is a network.

Remember that.

 

Once you have identified a node in the network (met or somehow connected), you can always find that node again from another node.

 

So... yeah. Vader is a boss network admin with a really good understanding of the communication protocol of the system.

 

THAT is why you go to (a) Force Academy, folks. That certification is not just a relic of a wonky religion.

I don't see an issue with it, for me Force Choking was always about visualizing who you want to use the power on and whether or not you're able to..

- it's honestly really stupid as a concept ... EVEN in Sci-Fi universes

- it leads to awkward scenarios like : why doesn't Malgus just phone all the generals in the Republic and Force Choke them ?

- what ? they don't answer him ? they can see the number calling like mobile phones ... " hey it's Malgus don't pickup "

- what is even the defense against telephone choke ? hang up ? , why don't they just hang up when they are force choked ?

- it's honestly really stupid as a concept ... EVEN in Sci-Fi universes

- it leads to awkward scenarios like : why doesn't Malgus just phone all the generals in the Republic and Force Choke them ?

- what ? they don't answer him ? they can see the number calling like mobile phones ... " hey it's Malgus don't pickup "

- what is even the defense against telephone choke ? hang up ? , why don't they just hang up when they are force choked ?

 

Hmm have you noticed that tech in star wars is very hands down like you have to press an button or pull an lever to activate or stop an machine unlike now where we can close things with our voice? Well imagine being choke half an meter over the ground doubt you can reach to press the button.

Granted if you are an force user that is doable but many force users even in the latest expansion of this game do not use the force to do that. Its like their mind is occupied to find an way to get air or probably lacks oxygen an does not think straight.

- it's honestly really stupid as a concept ... EVEN in Sci-Fi universes

Star Wars is more space fantasy though. So it works greatly within the setting.

 

- it leads to awkward scenarios like : why doesn't Malgus just phone all the generals in the Republic and Force Choke them ?

Why would they answer him?How would he acquire their number?

 

- what ? they don't answer him ? they can see the number calling like mobile phones ... " hey it's Malgus don't pickup "

Yes. They don't answer, you're overthinking a saga about space wizards.

 

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- what is even the defense against telephone choke ? hang up ? , why don't they just hang up when they are force choked ?

I don't even see your point here, telephone choke would be under the same restraints a a normal Force Choke... if you're able to resist, you're able to resist. If you're unable to resist... you're screwed.

Telephone choke is worse the normal choke. In normal choke if the victim is an force user or an capable nonce force user who can react well they can distract the choker for example by bringing the roof above the force choker on him forcing him to break the force choke to stop the collapsing roof on him.But on the phone you lack those opportunities cause you are on an phone how would you know what is there to use the force on and non force users have no chance.

So the only solution for them is close the phone somehow.

I find something so strange about Star Wars fans in general: This need to explain things that are so blatantly obviously directorial choices for dramatic effect "in-universe", to the point that if they can't, it literally emotionally effects them.

 

The director/Lucas wanted to show Vader's unnerving command of the Force, so they went from choking a guy across the room, to choking a guy to death across the fleet.

 

But largely speaking, a common theme with the Force in general is that if you emphatically and totally believe that you CAN or SHOULD be able to do something, the Force using responds positively. Hence Yoda's whole "Do or do not, there is no try." Vader is absolutely unquestioning in his abilities at this point, and it doesn't shake his resolve to think "Can I choke this guy on a bridge of an entirely different Starship?" instead it's "This man has erred for the last time, and needs to die by my hand NOW." something the Dark Side specifically would respond powerfully to.

 

The upper or lower physical limits of what the Force can do has only been limited by cinematic technology of the time.

It totally makes sense if you go by the theory of relativity and include the concept of midi-clorean information travelling faster than light.

When Vader choked the officer through the holo there were 2 things, that helped him. First he was ON the SAME ship, and second. Vader knew exactly where he is. I think, that the Holo didn't really had to do anything with it. He could have done without it by feeling his presence on the ship like they can feel all living in a certain range.

 

This latter part were shown during training. In KOTOR 2 Kreia teaches you to look into others' mind on the ship. Your main character simply feels their presence on the ship as living beings, and no need to walk up to them for the mind reading. Same happens to SWTOR during a training session on Ondering on Republic storyline. The padawan asked to check different places for people, and he can sense their presence there. Regardless, if they are force users or not.

 

With that in mind we can assume, that force users can sense the presence of living beings in a certain range, and if said person is in range, then they can use the force on them. However this force sensitvity could work in larger distance, if they know each other, and both members are force sensitive. Explaining why could Malgus choke Savik over the holo. Malgus could do it, because they were aquantied well, and both were strong in the force. Knowing where to look Malgus could find Savik through the force. But he couldn't do the same for a regular grunt.

Edited December 16, 2019 by irrevelant
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@Irrelevant. Baras was on Dromund Kaas and he "Holo choked" an Imperial officer who was on Hoth.

@Irrelevant. Baras was on Dromund Kaas and he "Holo choked" an Imperial officer who was on Hoth.

 

Didn't played Sith Warrior story yet. In all other cases i saw at least one of these were true:

 

1. Target is not too far.

2. Target was known force user.

 

Like Thana ot Taris, or Savik in onslaught, or the Star Fortresses.

Well the Barass case none of your criteria fit. The target was very far away and he was not an force users.