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So is TORHEAD dead?


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ZionHalcyon
08.28.2012 , 10:34 AM | #1
It seems that way, because there are no updates - I find people have to post corrections in the comments section because it really isn't getting updated anymore.

Its a shame, but I almost think that it would work better as a tool like Wikipedia that allows the community to make edits, since at least for the heroics, it seems like 90% of the time they are still using the rewards from beta, when almost all of those have been changed.

Anyone know the deal? So much unfulfilled promise there.

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discosoc
08.28.2012 , 11:06 AM | #2
It never had a chance to get off the ground as long as Bioware was unable to support addons.

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ZionHalcyon
08.28.2012 , 11:25 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by discosoc View Post
It never had a chance to get off the ground as long as Bioware was unable to support addons.
thats a lazy crock.

There are plenty of other sites for other games that have great community investment without game add on support that still provide great and accurate information, usually by allowing the community playing the game to take ownership.

Bioware didnt make TORHEAD so it isn't incumbant for Bioware to support it. So get out of here with that blame garbage - other places for other games have done a better job with less.

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discosoc
08.28.2012 , 12:20 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
thats a lazy crock.

There are plenty of other sites for other games that have great community investment without game add on support that still provide great and accurate information, usually by allowing the community playing the game to take ownership.

Bioware didnt make TORHEAD so it isn't incumbant for Bioware to support it. So get out of here with that blame garbage - other places for other games have done a better job with less.
Torhead is based on wowhead, which is just an item database site. It's a place where you can go look up a quest and see what the rewards are, or get information on the quest to help you finish it, or whatever. It's a place to look for items, and find out where who drops them. Stuff like that.

Show me an example of one of the "plenty of other sites" for other games that does that without somehow automating the process. Darth Hater is one of the main TOR sites around, and it's really just there for self-promotion through podcasts and articles. If you go to their database section is just as barren as torhead.

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ZionHalcyon
08.28.2012 , 12:24 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by discosoc View Post
Torhead is based on wowhead, which is just an item database site. It's a place where you can go look up a quest and see what the rewards are, or get information on the quest to help you finish it, or whatever. It's a place to look for items, and find out where who drops them. Stuff like that.

Show me an example of one of the "plenty of other sites" for other games that does that without somehow automating the process. Darth Hater is one of the main TOR sites around, and it's really just there for self-promotion through podcasts and articles. If you go to their database section is just as barren as torhead.
http://ddowiki.com/ - great example of community coming together to create something everyone can use to look up and research things - very few gaps and if there are, then it can be filled in by a willing member of the community.

There's one for starters.

You want more, look it up. Because if one example isn't enough for you, then 50 won't be enough for you - it will always be "oh yeah, name another one". I've been around the internet block long enough to know that much.

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discosoc
08.28.2012 , 12:47 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
http://ddowiki.com/ - great example of community coming together to create something everyone can use to look up and research things - very few gaps and if there are, then it can be filled in by a willing member of the community.

There's one for starters.

You want more, look it up. Because if one example isn't enough for you, then 50 won't be enough for you - it will always be "oh yeah, name another one". I've been around the internet block long enough to know that much.
That's a wiki, not a database site. If all you want is a wiki, stop being lazy and go edit http://swtor.wikia.com. Torhead is a database site.

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TheSkate
08.28.2012 , 01:36 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by discosoc View Post
Torhead is based on wowhead, which is just an item database site. It's a place where you can go look up a quest and see what the rewards are, or get information on the quest to help you finish it, or whatever. It's a place to look for items, and find out where who drops them. Stuff like that.

Show me an example of one of the "plenty of other sites" for other games that does that without somehow automating the process. Darth Hater is one of the main TOR sites around, and it's really just there for self-promotion through podcasts and articles. If you go to their database section is just as barren as torhead.
Almost all the item stat and graphical information on WoWhead was data mined, NOT derived from inputs gathered by add-ons. The main exception is drop rates for items. Torhead could have done the same, especially since it is the same company. Either they decided it was too difficult to do, or EA filed some sort of injunction preventing them from data mining the game.
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discosoc
08.28.2012 , 01:52 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by TheSkate View Post
Almost all the item stat and graphical information on WoWhead was data mined, NOT derived from inputs gathered by add-ons. The main exception is drop rates for items. Torhead could have done the same, especially since it is the same company. Either they decided it was too difficult to do, or EA filed some sort of injunction preventing them from data mining the game.
You are correct, but it's only half the equation. They datamine the client for all of the asset ID numbers, but they still don't have a relational database. Meaning they don't know where those items are found, or what NPC's have which quests, etc. They need the player addon to tell them that information.

So yes, the client has the data, but the databases linking all of that data together in useful ways are located on their servers. Without access to the servers, you need an addon to track it that way.

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discosoc
08.28.2012 , 01:53 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Someone's a bit oversensitive.
No, just pointing out that getting upset at an apple for not being an orange is irrational.

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ElitehunterDS
08.28.2012 , 01:57 PM | #10
Torhead been dead since.. well the start of the game, http://db.darthhater.com/ is so much better.
Dont care about comment, at least its updated.
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