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Warzone Date Change and 5.6 Details

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Warzone Date Change and 5.6 Details
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PennyAnn
11.17.2017 , 08:07 PM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
I don't feel it's fair to go to warzones and mess around and basically ruin the pvp experience for others. So I don't. It's not about not wanting to put in the effort as you seem to indicate but simply that I do not feel right about ruining the pvp for pvp'ers.

It's very easy to accuse me of trolling just because I have a different viewpoint, by the way.

The whole PvP system is as I understand it, is set up that you can start with 230 gear and work your way up. So you always have shells that you can upgrade till all your toons are 248. Is that not a fact? Or am I saying something incorrect here?

So unless you have everything on 248, you do have shells you can upgrade. Of course if you rip the mods out to give to an alt and use the empty shells...well, you can do that but then you gimp yourself on your alt that used the mods and has no shell for it. You can consider that a fault in the system on Bioware's side but you can still upgrade 230 gear all the way up to 248 if you choose to and that's how it's set up.

Tell me if I'm wrong but as far as I know it's a fact that you can upgrade shells starting at 230 all the way up to 248.
You're incorrect. The only shells that are able to be upgraded are the gold ones: 236 to 242, and 242 to 248. You don't understand how this works, apparently. The purple shells cannot be upgraded. You have to wait for specific gold pieces to drop from crates that you don't start getting until Tier 2 (doing PvP or any other activity) or get them directly from operations bosses (your personal tier irrelevant then because it's a boss drop), and then have the UCs on that particular character because boss drops are Bind on Pickup to upgrade them (again, UCs currently only attainable from PvP). So - if you are doing anything on alts, this system will screw you one way or another. They were going to fix that by making the UC currency legacy wide, and we were glad for that... but not at the cost of HALF of the UCs we have earned previous to 5.6 but won't be able to use until 5.6. So we can't use them, and we will be forced to wait until they cut the value in half for the privilege of using them legacy-wide. It's a terrible trade off.

[Edited to add: No one upgrades 236 to 242 to then later upgrade that to 248. It is prohibitively expensive and that cost is about to be doubled, plus the UC value that we've earned BEFORE 5.6 is going to be CUT IN HALF - the whole reason I have a pretty major problem with this!]

Tier 1 characters have zero opportunity to use their UCs unless they get gear shells from operations. It isn't until you get to Tier 2 that you have the opportunity of getting a 236 gold piece from a crate that you can then upgrade.

Trust me, you do NOT want to go into a PvP match in 230s unless you like being continually global'd into the ground. So OF COURSE you use legacy shells with mods/enhancements/set bonus armorings from the characters you have at rank 300 because otherwise you're toast.

Plus with legacy gear, why would you have 3 sets of the exact same thing? So necessarily you will have different pieces on different characters, depending on their luck of the draw with RNG. And just because you have the shell for that piece doesn't mean you have the UCs to go with it, or vice versa.

None of this has anything to do with PvP, apart from the only way to currently get UCs is to do PvP.

And I'm not calling you a troll because we "disagree". I feel you're trolling because you obviously don't care about this, it does not affect you, and you seem to just be posting to be contrary... which is not helpful to the situation at all, especially when you don't really understand it to begin with.
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11.17.2017 , 08:19 PM | #142
New item, the Masterís Datacron. This allows you to take any existing character and boost them to level 70; this boost does not progress story.

Is this an Item we have to buy in the Cartel market or will we get one for free when 5.6 launches plz some more info on this would be great ^_^. because i know when when KOTFE launched u gave everyone one free lvl 60 or 65 token at that time so im wondering if the same thing will happen here as well. Thank you for all the hard work you guys do as well ^_^

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NeoBlakkrstal
11.17.2017 , 08:35 PM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post


There is no longer a cap on UC because it isn't actually tracked via the currency tab any longer. It is now a stackable bind on legacy token in your inventory (allowing you to move it across characters).

Costs for all items via UC will be doubled in 5.6, BUT, everywhere you previously gained UC (Warzones, Missions, Ops) will also double. This totally breaks even,
Why wasn't it just left as a tracked currency item? This way I don't have to take up a storage slot for it, nor do I have to go to my Legacy storage to get it, track it, or move it from toon to toon. Thanks for all the extra work that I did not have to do before. I know it doesn't seem like much, but it is an annoying inconvenience now.

I don't understand how you can say that it "totally breaks even", Doubling the cost far exceeds the minimal amount gained by doubling the reward. The reward is so minimal that I once calculated that it would take 100+ WZs to accrue enough UCs to buy 1 piece of Tier 4 gear. Nothing has been done to address this. The grind is horrendous, it is loathed universally. There needs to be more areas to gain the UCs than just WZs.

In addition, something needs to be done about Command Crates. The drop rate of tier appropriate gear is far to small. This coupled with the rate at which duplicate "bind on pickup" pieces are given, makes the grind even more aggravating. I opened 33 Tier 4 Command Crates the other day, received 2 pieces of Tier 4 gear, both of which I already had. To put that in perspective, I only have 3 pieces of Tier 4 gear on that particular toon. The frustration level this brings out, is enough to make a person want to bang their head on their keyboard. Please, address the grind. And thanks for making UCs Legacy bound, but you could have gone about it in a way that was more user friendly.
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NeoBlakkrstal
11.17.2017 , 08:41 PM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
One person's impossible is another person's yawn. It just gets messy because BW made all gear the same but PvE'ers already figured out that UCs are only worth it for 248 gear and therefore come to warzones to mess around and get UCs in the process.
If you only come to WZs to "mess around", do us all a favor and don't. Why not play if you are going to be there anyway. Yes it's hard, but that is half the fun. If you can't contribute, get better. Either do, or do not.
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11.17.2017 , 08:51 PM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by varietasplus View Post
That is why PVPers hate PVE players joining warzones and wish rather for longer waiting queues than insta-pops. When we had thought Republic PVPer base on Red Eclipse could not get worse, along came server merger.
How elitist of you. The problem isn't PvE only players coming to PvP, that is too broad a brush. The issue is with those that don't want to put in any effort. I do both, I enjoy both. IMO, everyone should play, regardless of ability level. The only way to get good at something is to practice, learn from your mistakes. Having the opinion that you get paid, win or lose, is not a bad attitude to have, it keeps you from throwing your mouse through your monitor when you lose. It keeps you from rage quitting half way through a match because you don't like the team you were randomly placed on. If you are just in PvP to stand around and do nothing, don't want to learn, and are only there for the UC's, don't play. You will have command crate disintegration for UCs now. But, if you are a PvP player that has the attitude of "Us four and no more", you are part of the problem. Lose the elitist attitude and play the game.
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Tsillah
11.18.2017 , 05:09 AM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by NeoBlakkrstal View Post
If you only come to WZs to "mess around", do us all a favor and don't. Why not play if you are going to be there anyway. Yes it's hard, but that is half the fun. If you can't contribute, get better. Either do, or do not.
I do not understand this reply. I've explained various times that that's the reason I do not come to warzones.

PvP is not hard, it's just not set up in a way that I would enjoy. That's all, so I stopped going to warzones quite a while ago. I can contribute and I wasn't that bad at it when I did play. Certainly not a top player but I could make it to the top of the match board and I have a good understanding of the objectives and what does and doesn't work.

But too many people don't and I felt it boring as it was since PvP is very one-dimensional in this game. So I stopped doing it. With GC there was a reason to try it again but then you already had people not caring about the objectives and all that so I had the option to join in and just mess around or stay away. I chose to stay away.
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Aries_cz
11.18.2017 , 05:11 AM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Costs for all items via UC will be doubled in 5.6, BUT, everywhere you previously gained UC (Warzones, Missions, Ops) will also double.
Will our currently owned UCs be doubled as well when they get transformed to inventory item instead of Currency?

Also, as a sidenote, why are you guys changing them to be an item instead of legacy-bound currency like Command Tokens?
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Tsillah
11.18.2017 , 05:13 AM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by PennyAnn View Post
You're incorrect. The only shells that are able to be upgraded are the gold ones: 236 to 242, and 242 to 248. You don't understand how this works, apparently.
Ahh, well that's a big flaw in the system then. As I said I haven't bothered with it since I don't feel PvP is fun in this game and I don't want to ruin the fun of others.

So if I understand it correctly you're actually stuck with loot crates to get 236 gear to upgrade or you have to do sm ops. Well that's definitely a stupid and unfair set up. I agree with that.

Quote: Originally Posted by PennyAnn View Post
And I'm not calling you a troll because we "disagree". I feel you're trolling because you obviously don't care about this, it does not affect you, and you seem to just be posting to be contrary... which is not helpful to the situation at all, especially when you don't really understand it to begin with.
That's not trolling and it's a false assumption. It does affect me but in a different way. UCs are a currency that is seeping over into the PvE side more and more. It's problematic for me also as a PvE'er that other PvE'ers go to warzones and have better gear than I do because I don't PvP. UCs from crates will give me a chance to upgrade to 248 as well at least on my mains and so I can stay away from PvP. Of course they'll probably "force" PvP on us some other way.

But I incorrectly assumed that you could upagrde 230 gear and that's why I didn't see the issue, now I do.
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Eli_Porter
11.18.2017 , 05:54 AM | #149
They replaced upgrading 230 with buying 236 for UC's. But no one actually does that because it's prohibitively expensive and is essentially throwing your currency away (much like doubling the costs without doubling stockpiles).

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rubint
11.18.2017 , 06:10 AM | #150
Like others above:

PLEASE DOUBLE THE UC WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN 5.6

Otherwise, it will have half the buying power that it has now, effectively cutting our hard work by half. That is a pretty harsh devaluation.