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jarjarloves
05.14.2012 , 10:40 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Kulraven View Post
How, you cannot control property into perpetuity? Once he dies, someone/something will control the rights to the franchise, not Lucas. Its simply too much money for anyone to ignore.
His daughter gets the rights to it from my understanding. But yeah he supposedly has it set up so no movies will be made.


It's his universe.

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jarjarloves
05.14.2012 , 10:41 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Devilishmutt View Post
Lucas is mad at the community? for what? people that star wars pay his gosh darn bills!!

why is he mad at the community?
because they begged and begged him to make new ones so when he did everyone said they sucked and he was a horrible person and that he ruined their childhood.

Not saying they are wrong.

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Captain_Zone
05.14.2012 , 11:56 PM | #23
To be fair, the Prequels didn't ruin Star Wars for me. Especially when I read the novelizations and everything fell into place without having to deal with George's bad directing and Hayden's emo acting.

What nearly did me in completely was the RETCONNING of the OT by George himself. Luckily, I just put my original CBS/FOX VHS versions of A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi onto DVD and cleaned them up some.

Guess what, George. Take your Special Edition RETCONS and shove them where the sun don't shine!
HAN SHOT!
First.
Last.
ONE SHOT FIRED.
Greedo died without even squeezing off a shot, beeyotches!
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Setsugetsuka
05.15.2012 , 12:35 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
To be fair, the Prequels didn't ruin Star Wars for me. Especially when I read the novelizations and everything fell into place without having to deal with George's bad directing and Hayden's emo acting.

What nearly did me in completely was the RETCONNING of the OT by George himself. Luckily, I just put my original CBS/FOX VHS versions of A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi onto DVD and cleaned them up some.

Guess what, George. Take your Special Edition RETCONS and shove them where the sun don't shine!
HAN SHOT!
First.
Last.
ONE SHOT FIRED.
Greedo died without even squeezing off a shot, beeyotches!
People's excessive whining over the simple fact of who shot first is pathetic.

Also, George Lucas was very limited with what he could do back when he made the OT, so of course later with the progress of technology he is going to go back and fix things.
It reminds me of the time I read that someone was saying that Jabba the Hutt was meant to be a human, I lol'd.

Also, just for clarification for whoever was saying that George lied about having 9 movies; he did have 9 movies planned. But he didn't know if A New Hope was going to catch on or not, so he had to condense it so that it was essentially a stand alone film. In essence, I assume it's ending would have been more in kind to Empire Strikes Back, where it doesn't really end but leads into the next episode. Due to him having to condense it, the Death Star was brought forward, when originally it wasn't meant to be featured in Episode 4, and the second Death Star as far as I know didn't exist.

Also, the emperor wasn't meant to be faced until Episode 9. Obi-Wan wasn't meant to die in Episode 4, but George had to kill him off because he had no part after the Death Star sequence after George had to change the entire story. With this also, Yoda was never meant to exist, instead it was meant to be Obi-Wan who trained Luke. Go figure.

It was the same reason Han was frozen in carbonite, he had no function after that, he had no role, as if they focused on him, it would have taken too much away from Luke vs Vader which was meant to be the focus. Also, Leia was never meant to be Luke's twin, it was meant to be someone else, but I assume logically that it wouldn't have fit to introduce such a major character in the third movie. Still, makes the kiss really weird.

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Captain_Zone
05.15.2012 , 12:54 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Setsugetsuka View Post
People's excessive whining over the simple fact of who shot first is pathetic.

Also, George Lucas was very limited with what he could do back when he made the OT, so of course later with the progress of technology he is going to go back and fix things.
It reminds me of the time I read that someone was saying that Jabba the Hutt was meant to be a human, I lol'd.

Also, just for clarification for whoever was saying that George lied about having 9 movies; he did have 9 movies planned. But he didn't know if A New Hope was going to catch on or not, so he had to condense it so that it was essentially a stand alone film. In essence, I assume it's ending would have been more in kind to Empire Strikes Back, where it doesn't really end but leads into the next episode. Due to him having to condense it, the Death Star was brought forward, when originally it wasn't meant to be featured in Episode 4, and the second Death Star as far as I know didn't exist.

Also, the emperor wasn't meant to be faced until Episode 9. Obi-Wan wasn't meant to die in Episode 4, but George had to kill him off because he had no part after the Death Star sequence after George had to change the entire story. With this also, Yoda was never meant to exist, instead it was meant to be Obi-Wan who trained Luke. Go figure.

It was the same reason Han was frozen in carbonite, he had no function after that, he had no role, as if they focused on him, it would have taken too much away from Luke vs Vader which was meant to be the focus. Also, Leia was never meant to be Luke's twin, it was meant to be someone else, but I assume logically that it wouldn't have fit to introduce such a major character in the third movie. Still, makes the kiss really weird.
I watched the interview in 1980 AFTER Empire Strikes Back released with George saying he still had 7 more movies ready to be made. Scripts done and ready to go. Then after Return of the Jedi, he basically went back on his word without saying anything. Then the first Star Wars novel came out with Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn. And many of us who had given up on George making the remaining 6 movies latched onto the Thrawn Trilogy as the spiritual successors to the OT. Which at that point in time, they were. George Lucas himself approved them, and said they were good books. Then he came out with the Prequels and everything went to hell in a bucket.

As I stated above, the Prequels weren't THAT bad, and they made money. Unfortunately, the "Raider Nation" Star Wars fans went apenuts on George, and we saw how thin his skin really is. He emoRAGED on fans for a while, and refused to take responsibility for his bad writing and directing. Not to mention the film critics who pointed out that the PT wasn't nearly as good as the OT. In fact, one of the local headlines in the paper where I was living at the time said "The Magic Is Gone" above the review for Phantom Menace. Even then the movie STILL got 3 out of 5 stars from the reviewer. But George showed that he is incapable of taking constructive criticism.

When everyone said that the OT was better, I firmly believe he intentionally ruined it to spite those fans who railed on him for the Prequels. When an author retcons himself like that, it's a sign that something may be seriously wrong with his mental state. His DVD commentary notwithstanding. His excuses were flimsy at best, and outright bantha poodoo at worst.

Btw, there is no argument as to who shot first between Han and Greedo. Watch the ORIGINAL OT, and you will see that Greedo never fired a round. Han shot him down in cold blood. That was also part of the story of Star Wars. The journey of Han Solo from self-centered self-absorbed drug smuggler into a true hero when he finally finds a cause to believe in.
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Rehneu
05.15.2012 , 06:30 AM | #26
Interesting thing about this. A couple years back, GL gave an interview stating that he had rough drafts of episodes 7, 8 and 9 completed. In this interview, he outlined how and approximately when he would start the production of them.
What he stated was that first, he planned to re-release all of the movies in numerical order in an upgraded 3D format. The money made from these in the theater would be put towards the funding of the next projects. He stated that each of the 3D upgraded formats would be released on a schedule of one per year for 6 years.

The time line for episodes 7-9 was then stated to have nothing at all to do with any of the Skywalkers and to be set far enough after Jedi to not be linked to the first 6 directly. He decided to do this due to the fan backlash.

So far, it seems that the time frame given during that interview (sorry I do not recall where it was, exact date given, or reference to it) has so far been pretty much dead on to what was stated. I tend to wonder if he truly is done with SW all together. After all, it is his life.

Just some thoughts to through out and to contribute to the topic.

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Erevan_Kindelar
05.15.2012 , 06:37 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Kulraven View Post
How, you cannot control property into perpetuity? Once he dies, someone/something will control the rights to the franchise, not Lucas. Its simply too much money for anyone to ignore.
He will come back as a wizened little bearded Force-ghost (my picture is of Salacious Crumb, just with a beard... I guess I need professional help), with the ability to Force Choke anyone who thinks about making any more SW movies...

But seriously, there are ways he can lock down the franchise in his will if he chooses to do so. This is a world that he created, and if he wants to take his toys home in a huff there is realistically no way for anyone to prevent it afaik.
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Spartanik
05.15.2012 , 06:38 AM | #28
I would like to see a triology maybe on another setting to be frank, or ratehr age. The old republic. Maybe telling the story of Nomi sunrider, from the start before she was a jedi, and until the end to the redemption of her former lover Ulic quel droma by training Nomis daughter.
This would encompass naturaly the rise or fall of Exar kun off course.
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BJWyler
05.15.2012 , 06:48 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Kulraven View Post
Im no lawyer of course, but I would be interested to know how long someone can control something after they die. Even if rights pass to his kids, kids have a tendency to think for themselves. And there is a ton of money involved.

As to why we want more movies...Movies seem to be the culmination of a story. The manifestation of a vision. Think Avengers. We have read and read Avengers stories for decades, but seeing it in live action was amazing!

As for Lucas, I cant think of another comparison of a person who is so hostile or opposed to the very people who built him (and vice versa). It is odd. Both sides love SW, but dont like each other at all.
Others are right - there are ways to keep an IP tied up - there's something about books and 50 years after death before they can go into the Public Domain. So long as Lucas keeps the rights passed down to other people/family he trusts, the IP will never be "in the open market." Unfortunately, that's the only way to see Episodes VII, VIII, and IX. Quite frankly, to make them any good anyway, they would have to be written and directly by someone other than Lucas - the series needs a fresh perspective.

Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
As I stated above, the Prequels weren't THAT bad, and they made money. Unfortunately, the "Raider Nation" Star Wars fans went apenuts on George, and we saw how thin his skin really is. He emoRAGED on fans for a while, and refused to take responsibility for his bad writing and directing. Not to mention the film critics who pointed out that the PT wasn't nearly as good as the OT. In fact, one of the local headlines in the paper where I was living at the time said "The Magic Is Gone" above the review for Phantom Menace. Even then the movie STILL got 3 out of 5 stars from the reviewer. But George showed that he is incapable of taking constructive criticism.
The PT was the result of what I call the "Jurassic Park Effect." Once filmmakers saw what could be done with the use of CGI, script writing went all to hell. That's the big difference in quality between PT and OT - the PT's were written to showcase what CGI could do, while OT was written for the story to carry the films. Plus, he pretty much had backed himself into a corner with how much retconning he could have done in the PT - trying to squeeze 10-12 years worth of history into 6 hours and have it make sense with what was revealed in the OT would be tough for anyone to do.

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Girdeux
05.15.2012 , 06:56 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Devilishmutt View Post
WHAT?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


THAT IS SO SELFISH!!!
Hows that selfish? The whole storyline of the movies is the Fall and Redemption of Anakin. You whingers in here claiming he "destroyed star wars" are one of the reasons he became the way he is. Its HIS movies, he can do whatever he wants with them.

Even HYPOTHETICALLY he made another trilogy after ROTJ your "precious" post-rotj EU would be wiped into oblivion. Lucas would NEVER base a movie on the EU. And that his come out and said Post-ROTJ wouldnt be how he would've continued it at all.