...don't kill or ask the the Jedi SIS type on Quesh to surrender, you can get the option at the end of Chapter 3 to defect to the Republic.

I was gutted, as I asked him to surrender thinking it would be the *better* choice.

Yup. And if you keep the codex at the end (and throw yourself at Hunter like there's no tomorrow *sigh*), there are some hints that you may be part of the Star Cabal 2.0, which has this overwhelming desire to kill *all* Jedi and Sith. Really only one agent ending (to me) seems like it's siding with the Sith.

the brainwashing thing? I can see the Council coming down hard on the guy who defied Jadus (or assisted Jadus in a power play of breathtaking scale). Again, Sith politics would gladly put a loyal but inconvenient person through the shredder. My conclusion from this was actually that Keeper/the Minister of Intelligence remains the most ****** man in the game. He spends Act 1 trying to shield his people from the whims of the Sith, then sticks his neck out to make a way to save your life. The Dark Council said you had to die, and this one guy said "No, let's do this instead." And it worked. And because of it, you're still alive.

She hated them far more than the Sith, regardless of who was responsible ultimately for what had been done to her, because of the hypocrisy. The Star Cabal, in its original intent, at least, was right - both the Sith and the Jedi were nothing short of disastrous for everyone else.

That was my feeling. By the end of the game, I was pretty freaking amazed by everything that the Minister had managed to pull. Yeah, he didn't win. But he got pretty amazingly far for someone who's only real ability is his political maneuvering and smarts. (I mean, no force lightning there at all!)

The only other group that came even close (or, to be honest, did as well) in my opinion was the Star Cabal. I mean, the fact that they managed to cause a massive war that may still take out all the Jedi and Sith with nothing more than a small group of people and some clever intel gathering (and spreading) is pretty freaking amazing.

The Jedi and Sith can blow up on exploding space ships, for all I care.

The part where you reach the codex; and hunter is just about to fight you and says, "Why!? Why did you have to be Imperial!?"

I just wanted to stop; and ask, "Why does that matter?"

Hell I like what they were trying to do, and I think with someone of the agent's caliber on board they would have been able to meet their goal with far less corrupted methods. Or at the very least; have Hunter join on as a bonus companion or something.

I mean I had suspected something was up with Hunter from about half way through; those half flirtatious lines left and right... we'll just say the the 'big surprise' wasn't actually that surprising.

It gives me a major batman vibe (rogue ending here). I think I'm going to start running around the galaxy shouting; "MYKEEEPERISDEAD." in a low, garbled bat-man voice. (because I'm fairly sure poor Keeper (Minister) is not going to make it out of failing the council again.)

My KEEPER is DEAD!

Yeah, that made me mad. Because, hi, see the blue skin? Not that Imperial, thanks.

And the surprise? Would have just made it that much easier to take him with you and keep him hidden. My only real problem with that was the way it made the end of the scene play out differently for my husband's male agent - my female agent wasn't able to get that kind of closure, and she was much closer to Hunter than he was. Honestly, though, it is probably just as well that you didn't get to take him with you - it would have ruined my Agent's life without a doubt. (Not that she sees it that way. *mourn*)

Being almost completely light the entire game... (minus the most ... disturbingly delicious darkside points for killing that damned-able jedi...) I didn't actually take the 'closure' option with hunter. I went with the medpak route, heck I am medicine spec. Call it niche, but I was really hoping for the, "I understand why you did what you did; but accept that you read me wrong. I have a kolto tank back on my ship; *offer hand* Second chance?"

As the ... bat-agent-man... er... Dark-agent-Knight? I'll think of something better later... *ahem*

But as the rogue what-ever-the-heck; It hurts my agent more to lose people. Especially people like Hunter. Its a tragic story; grabbed up as a kid, raised on nothing but series of ever growing lies, haunted by the ever growing conflict between psudo-demi-gods... then this agent comes along. You're unbreakable, unkillable, unstoppable; a bit jaded? Sure. A bit shaken? Ohhh yes. But essentially a sheltered island in the middle of a galactic hurricane; you are the embodiment of the strength the people need.

I see the war erupting all over, I see others like myself caught in it.

Chance? Saber & Wheel? Hunter? All these 'caught in the fray' characters; I just want to be able to tell them:

Get behind me, we'll make it.

But I rant; so many memorable characters, so many left over feelings / thoughts.

10 - out of god damned - 10, amazing story; would read again. Well done BW.

My agent would have done literally anything to keep him alive at that point. (See near-ish the end of the chapter 3 section here for why. (Apologies, the writing is sketchy towards the end.))

It is so weird reading how Hunter played out for others. Honestly, I was iffy in his first scene and got to actively hating him not long after that. I hated him as a human being. I hated him as a spy. I hated him as a ringmaster for his great shadowy circus that was using all the wrong methods to achieve their goals. Even as I came closer to agreeing with some of the Cabal's hopes, I hated Hunter with every step, and during the final reveal I told her I had no sympathy for a freak like her. I would've shot her myself if she hadn't activated her shock thingy first. Her last words before goodbye were "That's what I like about you. Your warmth of spirit." It is so very odd to think that some people had an emotional rapport with her.

I chose the option to erase my existence and be my OWN agent to do whatever the **** I want. My crew were ALL happy with that for some reason. Even Vector. But now I got my wish and I'm free. No one knows I even exist anymore.

when he/she said, "yeah but we sure had fun didn't we." I wanted to respond, "You are one sick puppy if you think all that was 'fun'." He was arrogant, self-righteous, and took a sadistic pleasure in bossing my agent around. He had her tortured in what had to be one of the most disturbing scenes in the game. Yikes, those sound effects hurt. And he made poor Vector watch.

They did - I flinched every time they hit her, and that scene was awful. I was emotionally involved enough at that point that it made me feel ill, and I had a small panic attack when they took Vector away.

She had flirted with Hunter the whole time, because that is how she deals with people - in her mind, if someone is attracted to her she has at least some small measure of power over them, and with him she needed every advantage she could get. She found the change in the tone of his later conversations with her to be puzzling, but it didn't change how she felt towards him - and Livia (and I) hated Hunter, couldn't wait to kill him, right up until that last conversation.

And then he asked her if they hadn't had fun, and she said, not so much with all the brainwashing and torture, and he told her she was a liar, and that she had loved it, and it was like someone had kicked me in the stomach. The weight of all their interactions - all that cat-and-mousing back and forth, all the flirting, his strange flashes of honesty and vulnerability in their later conversations, everything - just came crashing down on me (and on her) all at once. I felt sick and panicky. (So did she.) Hate and love can be so similar. He was her other half. He was everything. It was horrifying, this last, extra deep twist of the knife. It was eviscerating. All the twists and shocks and harrowing choices and traumatic experiences and this was the thing that undid me. Hunter's secret hardly even registered. Who cared? It didn't matter. It would make it easier to hide him.

It was too late for her not to finish her job - there they were, and she had finally won. But it almost didn't matter to her anymore - suddenly she would have given anything to save him and keep him with her. She would have walked away from Vector, with whom she was quite in love by this point, without a second thought. She probably would have shot him, if it would have meant saving Hunter. She hated herself for it. She couldn't help it. She could barely keep on her feet because she was reeling so badly internally. Thank god she didn't have the chance to save him. Deciding to die instead of letting her save him may have been the only truly good thing that Hunter ever did for anyone. Her life would have been utterly destroyed if he had survived. She would have been utterly destroyed if he had survived.

As it stands, I don't know how it will affect things for her (as those of you who read my head canon post already know, I haven't really gotten that far in my detailed sorting out of her story). It may end up costing her anyway - Vector is not unobservant. She may have trouble dealing with hurting him like that. I don't really know yet.

I was ashamed to tell my husband about it. That is how badly it upset me. I couldn't deny it though, even to myself, because it felt true.

Hunter as the only person who really understood my male IA and now that she's dead... well he'll just spend the rest of his life never actually committing to anyone. This works really well considering that I haven't actually done finished any of the romance with either Kaliyo or Temple.

I felt the same way. I heard from other friends that Hunter was flirting heavily with their male agents and was like, "Well...he is a little odd. Maybe they're trying to make him really flamboyantl? Except that really, he's coming off more like he's a girl. Oh well. All writing/voice acting can't be perfect." There was a major "Oh, duh" moment at the end.

I do think that a Hunter/agent team could accomplish a lot. But I can also see why the Star Cabal wouldn't trust the agent. (Although at the bitter end, I felt like there was no reason *not* to try. Then again, by the bitter end, Hunter is pretty well surrounded and probably doomed no matter what you do.)

To me, it was a really sad ending. I'd finally figured out what the "bad guys" were up to and was like..."Oh, I actually approve of that. Oh, well, there goes that. You're all dead now. And I have no idea what you wanted me to do."

I had problems with Hunter from the end of Act 2. There were a lot of signs that the character was one sick puppy (like the flirting with Temple just to tell me to kill her a second later). But that whole line about "sweet nothings" was so sick. (Esp. as I'd flirted with Hunter - so it was like..."You didn't want this when it was consensual, but now...?")

Still, I flirted with Hunter after that, as it seemed like the best way of collecting information. (I mean, hanging up isn't going to get me the intel I need, now is it?) But it felt so...wrong. Like, here I'm flirting with someone who wants to violate my character in the worst possible ways. (Not to mention the utterly painful torture scene.) And it utterly creeped me out to get those little flashes of a vulnerable Hunter, and as the story went on, I became nearly 100% certain that my character was madly, passionately, crazily in love with this person. (Against anyone's better judgement.) It was utterly twisted and really sick. But that's definitely how it felt from the dialogue, voice acting, etc.

But at the same time, it was impossible for me *not* to agree with Hunter's goals once I heard them. And Hunter is special - she's probably the smartest character you run into, she's brilliant and beautiful and absolutely fascinating. It would be amazing to save the good parts of Hunter and heal the parts that are broken. (Although I suspect that would be close to impossible to do.) I can't help but think that a somewhat less twisted Hunter and the agent might well be able to achieve the ultimate goal - get rid of the Force users and create a world that's more equitable. Not that this will ever happen, but hey...

But, yeah, really engrossing narrative.