-Davarian- Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Hey everyone, Thought the below link might prove of interest. http://www.destructoid.com/obsidian-reveals-its-plan-for-potential-kotor-iii-259114.phtml For those who don't like clicking copy is below: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords was a stellar Star Wars RPG that shone despite its bugs and rushed production schedule. It left me wanting to a sequel and, speaking to Eurogamer, Obsidian's Chris Avellone also harbored further plans for the crew of the Ebon Hawk. Knights of the Old Republic III actually existed in pre-production at Obsidian but it never made it past the pitch process. Obsidian's Chris Avellone says that "it felt like we were pitching and pitching and it just wasn't going anywhere, and at some point people just drew a line and said 'it's just not going to happen.'" I had never considered the KOTOR games to be part of a potential trilogy but Avellone confirmed that the plan was to have "The Exile" from KOTOR II potentially meeting Revan from KOTOR I and finding "the true Sith Lords." But enough of all that, what of HK-47, one of the best supporting characters in an RPG ever? "At one point HK-47, its legs dismantled, would "ride around in your backpack," Chris explains "like C-3PO does with Chewbacca in Empire Strikes Back." Brilliant! The best parts of KOTOR II were when your crew began expanding and you felt like you were making a really close-knit group. I'd love to see KOTOR III happen but if it never does, I'm glad that there's mods like The Sith Lords Content Mod that can help me squeeze every last bit of goodness from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnusheart Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Hey everyone, Thought the below link might prove of interest. http://www.destructoid.com/obsidian-reveals-its-plan-for-potential-kotor-iii-259114.phtml Obsidian's Chris Avellone says that "it felt like we were pitching and pitching and it just wasn't going anywhere, and at some point people just drew a line and said 'it's just not going to happen.'" I had never considered the KOTOR games to be part of a potential trilogy but Avellone confirmed that the plan was to have "The Exile" from KOTOR II potentially meeting Revan from KOTOR I and finding "the true Sith Lords." . All of that in Yellow is detailed in the Book: Revan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leene Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 All of that in Yellow is detailed in the Book: Revan. Agreed. As much as I would have loved a 3rd KotOR, the story is basically told in that book already. I came to terms with the (for me) disappointing fate of Revan and Meetra, I don't need a KotOR III to rehash it all again, not anymore at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Moonshadow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Yeah....if EA hadn't done gone and snatched up the rights to Star Wars video games. So unless Obsideon signs over itself to EA, they will never make KoTOR III without getting sued so hard that they would have no choice but to sell to EA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockaday Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 All of that in Yellow is detailed in the Book: Revan. People could stand to read that poorly written book? I tried to get into them...but they were sooo horribly written. I'd suggest a movie, or short film...but Revan was pretty boring according to lore. Dark Side ending would have been interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 People could stand to read that poorly written book? I tried to get into them...but they were sooo horribly written. I'd suggest a movie, or short film...but Revan was pretty boring according to lore. Dark Side ending would have been interesting. It wasn't that bad. It was a fast read. It doesn't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Moonshadow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It wasn't that bad. It was a fast read. It doesn't last long. They should make a Book on MP3 of Revan, narrated by Morgan Freeman. Then it's the greatest story ever told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockaday Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It wasn't that bad. It was a fast read. It doesn't last long. It was horrible. It felt amateurish and thrown together. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the likes of R.A. Salvatore. And slow...for some reason it felt slow. I still have two of them on my bookshelf...I should attempt to read them at some point...but meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedip_enguin Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 This is a dev talking about what might have been, your subject is misleading at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexDougherty Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Agreed. As much as I would have loved a 3rd KotOR, the story is basically told in that book already. I came to terms with the (for me) disappointing fate of Revan and Meetra, I don't need a KotOR III to rehash it all again, not anymore at least. Maybe if they ignored the book, and redid it to decent standards, actually get the exile to behave like the exile, give them their own abilities, and finally give the end some actual dignity. Basically throw the novel away, and do it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Moonshadow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It was horrible. It felt amateurish and thrown together. Oh how's your novel doing? Seriously, how could I not link that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It was horrible. It felt amateurish and thrown together. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the likes of R.A. Salvatore. And slow...for some reason it felt slow. I still have two of them on my bookshelf...I should attempt to read them at some point...but meh. Of course it wasn't great literature. Think of it as reading an elaborate Wookieepedia entry. Hopefully that can help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suromir Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Guess I'm the only one glad Obsidian didn't get their amateur paws on KotOR for a 3rd one.... only good part about KotOR II was the combat mechanic changes..saber styles..etc. the story was garbage. The ending comes out of nowhere (yes because it was rushed..but you cannot absolve Obsidian of this) and it threw the guys disdain for the Jedi down our throats And gave us the "gray" jedi/force concept that totally breaks lore. gray is NOT balance...GL himself said Lightside is balance. Darkside is like a cancer. But then you have a story written and shoved down our throats of this guys own concept of it. That people cling too. Don't get me wrong. Despite my complaints I enjoyed KotOR II...but it was a hack job and I'm glad they didn't get their paws on a 3rd. Obsidian is a company with no original thoughts in their bones. They only take OTHER companies ideas and expand on them. if we ever get a KotOR 3 (outside of SWTOR obviously) I for one, am glad it won't be Obsidian doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desolaytore Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 That book was a bad joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Guess I'm the only one glad Obsidian didn't get their amateur paws on KotOR for a 3rd one.... only good part about KotOR II was the combat mechanic changes..saber styles..etc. the story was garbage. The ending comes out of nowhere (yes because it was rushed..but you cannot absolve Obsidian of this) and it threw the guys disdain for the Jedi down our throats And gave us the "gray" jedi/force concept that totally breaks lore. gray is NOT balance...GL himself said Lightside is balance. Darkside is like a cancer. But then you have a story written and shoved down our throats of this guys own concept of it. That people cling too. Don't get me wrong. Despite my complaints I enjoyed KotOR II...but it was a hack job and I'm glad they didn't get their paws on a 3rd. Obsidian is a company with no original thoughts in their bones. They only take OTHER companies ideas and expand on them. if we ever get a KotOR 3 (outside of SWTOR obviously) I for one, am glad it won't be Obsidian doing it. You definetly arent the one only. I'm quite happy knowing Obsidian is never going to do another KOTOR game again, let alone any star wars product. The story sucked so much because Avellone(the writer) admitted he hardly knew anything about star wars and Kotor 1 when he wrote the story for Kotor 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexDougherty Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Guess I'm the only one glad Obsidian didn't get their amateur paws on KotOR for a 3rd one.... only good part about KotOR II was the combat mechanic changes..saber styles..etc. I liked it, it felt good and balanced, I especially liked awakening my companions, I awoke the force powers of everyone except the droids and mandalore. the story was garbage. The ending comes out of nowhere (yes because it was rushed..but you cannot absolve Obsidian of this) and it threw the guys disdain for the Jedi down our throats And gave us the "gray" jedi/force concept that totally breaks lore. Again I liked the story, yes, the end was rushed, but everything up to that point was good. But you are getting confused, the Grey Jedi was the original Kotor not Kotor2, Jollee Bindo the original Grey Jedi accompanied Revan not the Exile, in Kotor2 it was light or dark, no inbetween. gray is NOT balance...GL himself said Lightside is balance. Darkside is like a cancer. But then you have a story written and shoved down our throats of this guys own concept of it. That people cling too. As I said you are complaining about the original game here, and not Obsidion Don't get me wrong. Despite my complaints I enjoyed KotOR II...but it was a hack job and I'm glad they didn't get their paws on a 3rd. Only the end felt like a hack job, the rest was well sculpted, and I liked the story. Obsidian is a company with no original thoughts in their bones. They only take OTHER companies ideas and expand on them. erm, it was a sequel in a well defined universe, admittedly not a well defined era at the time, but still there were a lot of constraints on originality. But they had a good modification system, with plenty of new aspects (lighting damage added to lightsaber lens for example, or the exile's crystal), and even incorporated a good stealth system (not a stealth fan but Kotor2's system worked). They added plenty, it was just that they were constrained, remember the writer didn't look at the original game, the game programmers did. if we ever get a KotOR 3 (outside of SWTOR obviously) I for one, am glad it won't be Obsidian doing it. I feel that you've mixed elements of the two games together in your head, and assigned most of the bad to the second game. It wasn't perfect, but it was an improvement on the second, and if they had finished the end properly (HK factory, goto-probe droid stand off, etc) then people would have had far fewer complaints. The Exile was a great character, surrounded by great companions, with a good engine, and only the end of the story was a let down, all in all a good game. Edited August 1, 2013 by AlexDougherty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalLowlife Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I liked it, it felt good and balanced, I especially liked awakening my companions, I awoke the force powers of everyone except the droids and mandalore. Again I liked the story, yes, the end was rushed, but everything up to that point was good. But you are getting confused, the Grey Jedi was the original Kotor not Kotor2, Jollee Bindo the original Grey Jedi accompanied Revan not the Exile, in Kotor2 it was light or dark, no inbetween. As I said you are complaining about the original game here, and not Obsidion Only the end felt like a hack job, the rest was well sculpted, and I liked the story. erm, it was a sequel in a well defined universe, admittedly not a well defined era at the time, but still there were a lot of constraints on originality. But they had a good modification system, with plenty of new aspects (lighting damage added to lightsaber lens for example, or the exile's crystal), and even incorporated a good stealth system (not a stealth fan but Kotor2's system worked). They added plenty, it was just that they were constrained, remember the writer didn't look at the original game, the game programmers did. I feel that you've mixed elements of the two games together in your head, and assigned most of the bad to the second game. It wasn't perfect, but it was an improvement on the second, and if they had finished the end properly (HK factory, goto-probe droid stand off, etc) then people would have had far fewer complaints. The Exile was a great character, surrounded by great companions, with a good engine, and only the end of the story was a let down, all in all a good game. <---Co-signing everything he said....if they'd actually got to finish the game KOTOR 2 would have been MUCH better than pt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suromir Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I liked it, it felt good and balanced, I especially liked awakening my companions, I awoke the force powers of everyone except the droids and mandalore. Again I liked the story, yes, the end was rushed, but everything up to that point was good. But you are getting confused, the Grey Jedi was the original Kotor not Kotor2, Jollee Bindo the original Grey Jedi accompanied Revan not the Exile, in Kotor2 it was light or dark, no inbetween. As I said you are complaining about the original game here, and not Obsidion Only the end felt like a hack job, the rest was well sculpted, and I liked the story. erm, it was a sequel in a well defined universe, admittedly not a well defined era at the time, but still there were a lot of constraints on originality. But they had a good modification system, with plenty of new aspects (lighting damage added to lightsaber lens for example, or the exile's crystal), and even incorporated a good stealth system (not a stealth fan but Kotor2's system worked). They added plenty, it was just that they were constrained, remember the writer didn't look at the original game, the game programmers did. I feel that you've mixed elements of the two games together in your head, and assigned most of the bad to the second game. It wasn't perfect, but it was an improvement on the second, and if they had finished the end properly (HK factory, goto-probe droid stand off, etc) then people would have had far fewer complaints. The Exile was a great character, surrounded by great companions, with a good engine, and only the end of the story was a let down, all in all a good game. Cool story bro. wasn't looking for a debate. As it's not debatable because obviously it's my opinion. But thanks for sharing?? yah...sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadoken Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It was horrible. It felt amateurish and thrown together. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the likes of R.A. Salvatore. And slow...for some reason it felt slow. I still have two of them on my bookshelf...I should attempt to read them at some point...but meh. That made me laugh quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Cool story bro. wasn't looking for a debate. As it's not debatable because obviously it's my opinion. But thanks for sharing?? yah...sure. Would have been a valid one if you had blamed LucasArts for forcing Obsidian to release the game a year earlier than they planned, blame the money hungry 'we want an Xmas game release' Lucas division for the unfinished game, not Obsidian or even the game itself. Oh and 'gray jedi' is the in-universe opinion of some force users, it doesn't break lore or canon at all, get your facts straight, there is a grey Jedi in the FILMS, he's called Qui-Gon Jinn and it is G-canon that the reason he isn't a High Council member is because of his views. I take it you are one of those that actually believe there can only be a black and white morality and anything else is invalid, way to have a closed mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthflowmotion Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Oh how's your novel doing? Seriously, how could I not link that? QFT 5c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lium Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Guess I'm the only one glad Obsidian didn't get their amateur paws on KotOR for a 3rd one.... only good part about KotOR II was the combat mechanic changes..saber styles..etc. the story was garbage. The ending comes out of nowhere (yes because it was rushed..but you cannot absolve Obsidian of this) and it threw the guys disdain for the Jedi down our throats And gave us the "gray" jedi/force concept that totally breaks lore. gray is NOT balance...GL himself said Lightside is balance. Darkside is like a cancer. But then you have a story written and shoved down our throats of this guys own concept of it. That people cling too. Don't get me wrong. Despite my complaints I enjoyed KotOR II...but it was a hack job and I'm glad they didn't get their paws on a 3rd. Obsidian is a company with no original thoughts in their bones. They only take OTHER companies ideas and expand on them. if we ever get a KotOR 3 (outside of SWTOR obviously) I for one, am glad it won't be Obsidian doing it. Thank you. I feel like there's a lot of revisionist history going on with KOTOR II. I was so disappointed when I first played it back in '04. I am a huge fan of the original KOTOR, so the second game was just a big letdown. Now, years later everyone reveres it, even though these same people were tearing into it back then. I am relieved that Obsidian didn't get to make KOTOR III. Every one of their games has been terrible. From Neverwinter Nights 2 to Alpha Protocal. They're just not good developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turjake Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I dont think Jolee was really gray. He might have a bit more open attitude towards some things the uptight jedi masters did not accept but basically he was fully lightsider. Btw. where would a gray jedi draw the force? Lightsiders try to block all emotions and let the force channel through them (or something) and darksiders channel their force with strong emotions like fear and anger. What is left for grays? Apathy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian_Scott Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Wouldn't be the first time Star Wars lore was retcon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeterno Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Meh it's probably for the best it never happened. Kotor 2 was too heavy on the dev teen angst. Arguably it's a better story than k1 but it's a lot worse star wars story, if that makes any sense. Lighten up Chris. Seriously I don't get why Avellone is chasing all these IP products if deep down he's got just disdain for the IPs in question. I mean the guy hates elves with a passion. Project eternity? High fantasy of course. Just lol. God forbid the guys at Obsidian would dream up a world of their own like what BW did with Mass effect. They specialize in taking other peoples fantasies and taking as big of a dump on it as the publishers will let them get away with. These guys butchered the Old Republic timeline into a OT knock-off with their jedi purge (how very original, the last of the jedi has never been done before) and it took TOR jumping 300 years to reboot it back to why it was fleshed out in the first place - thousands of jedi v sith. If there is one good thing in the Disney/EA SW games exclusive it's the fact Obsidian don't get another crack at one. Edited August 1, 2013 by aeterno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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