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★ SWTOR Juggernaut Immortal PvP Video ★

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★ SWTOR Juggernaut Immortal PvP Video ★

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i_noface_i
05.10.2013 , 01:53 AM | #1
Hey guys here it is my first proper PvP 55 video, and its Immortal. Really enjoying Immortal at the moment, I am also still trying out different armor builds, for this video I stacked endurance. I show stats and skill tree at the end. Please feel free to post comments and I will try to respond to them as fast as I can.

★ SWTOR Juggernaut Immortal PvP - Drackul 55 ★

Thank you again to everyone that posted in my last tanking topic.
Drackul 55 Juggernaut

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B-Quick
05.10.2013 , 10:03 AM | #2
Nice video...where/what is the helmet you are wearing?

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UncleOst
05.10.2013 , 10:13 AM | #3
Hey there.

I think your editing is great. The video quality is excellent. Yes immortal jug action is great, good stuff you captured.

I've been a fan in the past( never finished any of your videos ), but I've liked your work. This time?

Whoa man, what's up with the horrid music? Your vid is what 18 mins long, I watched as long as it took to skip in search of better music... and none was to come. You gotta work on that in my opinion. Shorten the length, and try to condense the focal points. This flick was very " DIRE'esque", ( I've never finished any of Dire's vids either) and only fanbois would sit through the whole video on baited breath.

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Kayasho
05.10.2013 , 10:38 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by B-Quick View Post
Nice video...where/what is the helmet you are wearing?
I'm thinking thats the dread seed helmet
Kayasho - 54 Sentinel
Netorare- 55 Jugg

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B-Quick
05.10.2013 , 10:46 AM | #5
Awesome...you are right and thanks

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AGSThomas
05.10.2013 , 12:38 PM | #6
I like it. You're good, not because you are using the right situational abilities at the right time, but because you don't waste time finishing people off, fight on roads, etc.
Med´vh - Deception Assassin (PvP DPS)
D´omedes - Vengeance Juggernaut (PvP DPS)
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Sykomyke
05.10.2013 , 12:45 PM | #7
1:45 You use intimidating roar on an enemy, then turn around and force push him (incorrectly) into the catwalk instead of the acid. (If he had actually fallen in the acid you would have made it easier for him to get out of the acid because you gave him full resolve.) Also, during this time, you just kind of stand around and do nothing. No damage. While it looks like you were waiting to be passed the ball, you should always be doing something to pressure the enemy.

2:01 You spam chilling scream for no reason. There are no enemies near you. I understand this is probably habit; but it's actually a rather bad habit. Just because it's free doesn't mean you should waste the GCD on spamming it unnecessarily. Even if enemies are nearby chilling scream only needs to be applied or mixed into your rotation about every 3-4 abilities unless you are trying to apply the slow to enemies that are newly entering the fray.

4:45 Jumping while slowed; contrarily to popular belief does not increase your speed, you travel at the same speed. The only time jumping helps when in the acid is your initial jump *over* into the middle of the acid, and then once again while getting out in a rush to get to middle. (or out of middle)

5:05-5:06 You fail to actually pass the huttball correctly and miss the operative completely. (No he wasn't stealthed either.) You had nearly no enemies on you and could have easily just walked it into the endzone. You also had saber reflect ready in case (somehow) you got focus fired.

0:00-5:06 (Entire Huttball match). You weren't really up against any really skilled enemies. They constantly gave you jumping points to get to and failed to remove your allies ( for possible intercede targets) from the catwalks. Huttball is all about control and your enemies clearly did not understand that. No offense, but you didn't really exhibit any special skills or knowledge of your juggernaut thus far.

5:21 - More spamming of chilling scream even though enemies aren't even near you until a few seconds later.

6:08-6:30 Literally all you do for 22 seconds (give or take a few before 6:08) was spam chilling scream. Run back and forth, spam more chilling scream. Use Intimidating Roar, use more chilling scream. (At this point you were capped out on rage) and then use Force scream and Threatening Shout. Then more chilling scream. Finally at 6:29 you force push and then force leap onto a guy. But you were capped out on rage for a much longer period then you should have been.

Sidenote: Just because you are a tank does not mean you shouldn't maximize your damage in a warzone as much as possible. Part of this is because this will help when using controlled burst well-timed on targets; another part of this is because nearly every single ability in an Immortal Juggernaut's arsenal is there to improve their defences. Crushing Blow improves our damage reduction and allows immediate use of retaliation (which further improves our defense chance for a small period of time)

9:00 4 Enemies Versus 1 Juggernaut. And they can't kill you while running from west to east...a 4v1 in ANY situation with competent players will result in you getting liquified fast. It's clear that the enemy player do not know how to properly DPS you because a lone juggernaut with no healing support in a 4v1 scenario should not survive that long against competent enemies.

I honestly stopped watching about here. The amount of egregious errors; either by you or your enemies doesn't really warrant the making of a PvP video. I'm not asking for "action shot compilations" but rather displays of skill, or well timed usage of abilities that turn around clutch situations. I don't really condone another YouTube video of moderate skill since they are about a dime a dozen. I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh; but I'm merely pointing out the flaws I saw in your play and giving you my opinion on them. This is coming from a Juggernaut who achieved War Hero before the valor gains increase in 1.1.5 and PvP'd both as pure Immortal and Hybrid Immortal/Vengeance all the way up to 2.0 (I'm back to Pure Immortal for the time being in 2.0 now).
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
Sith Empire

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jimalexblack
05.10.2013 , 04:14 PM | #8
WOW! That has to be the most pedantic reply to a post I have ever seen XD

At the end of the day, not every player is perfect, however the way you replied to this post is like there is absolutely nothing at all good in that video. Which isn't the case.

You're obviously the best Tank in the world...Why don't you post a video with you displaying your AMAZING skills.

Drackul is an extremely good tank, having played with him for a while now, I know that I'm much better off with him than most other tanks.

I should imagine whatever is said in response to your torrent of pedantic BS, you'll probably write another long and boring post about why you're the best and he's not.

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i_noface_i
05.10.2013 , 04:22 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Sykomyke View Post
1:45 You use intimidating roar on an enemy, then turn around and force push him (incorrectly) into the catwalk instead of the acid. (If he had actually fallen in the acid you would have made it easier for him to get out of the acid because you gave him full resolve.) Also, during this time, you just kind of stand around and do nothing. No damage. While it looks like you were waiting to be passed the ball, you should always be doing something to pressure the enemy.
Really I mean really, after I got through the first part I could not get my head around how some one could write this dribble, I am not going to spend ages going through every thing you wrote, its all nonsense. So ill pick my Favorites.

1. Pushing a guy into a catwalk - Dude I cc'ed more than one person and I wanted a reset on my leap and to clear the path for the pass. And that's... it whats all the crap about failing at pushing someone into the acid and making it easier for him to get out because I would have given him full resolve. Are you kidding me.

2. Spamming Chilling scream, why the hell you got a problem with me spamming chilling scream, why would you NOT, O wait because I waste the GCD on it... for real. Ill give you a couple of reasons why - Stealth class, Some one leaping to me, all the stuff going on behind me I can not see, and because there is no reason what so ever to not spam it.

3. You had a problem with me jumping through the acid instead of walking - at this point I knew you did not like me and I was even starting to think that maybe we beat you in a huttball and thats why you where bitter.

4. You fail to actually pass the huttball correctly and miss the operative completely - LOL I passed the ball to my guild mate for lol's for the very last goal and it did not miss that was the goal that ended the game.

5. No offense, but you didn't really exhibit any special skills or knowledge of your juggernaut thus far - You know what... I dont even think you have a juggernaut.

Ill stop there, those where the best bits for me.

UncleOst - sorry you did not like the music on this video but I had to go with some non-copyright music so all countries could watch this video, I think my last 2 vids Germany could not watch them

AGSThomas - Thanks man
Drackul 55 Juggernaut

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Sykomyke
05.10.2013 , 04:39 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by jimalexblack View Post
WOW! That has to be the most pedantic reply to a post I have ever seen XD

At the end of the day, not every player is perfect, however the way you replied to this post is like there is absolutely nothing at all good in that video. Which isn't the case.

You're obviously the best Tank in the world...Why don't you post a video with you displaying your AMAZING skills.

Drackul is an extremely good tank, having played with him for a while now, I know that I'm much better off with him than most other tanks.

I should imagine whatever is said in response to your torrent of pedantic BS, you'll probably write another long and boring post about why you're the best and he's not.
I never said he was a "bad" tank; nor did I say I was the best. (You said that; which is called putting words in my mouth) I just said from his PvP play (of which he is showcasing) I didn't see anything to write home about. By the way...why are you even "defending" him? It's his video. If he posts a video online, he should expect feedback; both positive and negative.

It's not like I'm pointing out flaws for the sake of pointing out flaws. I pointed out the flaws and even gave tips on some on how to improve. I gave specific points during the fight that could have been done a lot better; and my position on this is because I too have played Juggernaut Immortal spec for a very long time. Maybe I didn't sugarcoat my response; but then again I'm not your mother either. You want unconditional niceness? Go to your family.

If you're going to to disagree or argue about something, at least do so with some dignity or a modicum of forethought that doesn't require you to Google search your favorite word of the day (read: Pedantic)

P.S. Your response doesn't even rate a DH2 (http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html )
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
Sith Empire