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Question for fellow tanks...

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flem
05.04.2015 , 02:48 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
This attitude ticks me off so much. Yes there are some DPS that are straight dumb. But I really flipping hate tanks that assume that since they are the sole determent of flashpoint pops that therefore everyone must grovel before their every whim.

I'm sick and tired of waiting hours for a pop just to get some mediocre tank that plays and behaves in a manner that would have earned a instant votekick if he had been a DPS, but since he is a tank nobody will argue with him.
Honestly, that's because you don't tank. Your "bad player" stories if you *were* a tank would revolve around DPS and (more rarely, though it certainly happens) heals.

And no, I wasn't suggesting being a tyrant. I was reminding the OP that he should remember his leverage, particularly since he was in the right.

It's funny, though: I originally leveled a tank to do public service qs. Then, of course, the shortage of competent tanks did its work and I got recruited for raid groups. And then I realized what hadn't been clear to me before: decent tanks don't need to q. They can get geared up as fast as the lockouts allow, in SM op runs that are now actually faster than many HMFP runs, or in quick HMFP runs to get guildmates' weeklies done. That's why many of the tanks you'll see in GF are either in a hurry, not very good, or both. Sadly, I've sort of become the guy in a hurry.

PS - if a craptank drops, you can finish on your own. I've finished a run of Rakata Prime - including the bonus boss - with Treek tanking after our GF one DCed late at night.
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Powerinfusion
05.07.2015 , 08:56 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by XisscVekno View Post
Then role a tank. I don't mean to sound like an ***, but the reason there are so few tanks in this game (or any game for that matter) is it takes some skills that just can't be taught. Yes I know tanking is easy *rolls eyes* if it was so easy, we wouldn't have so many bad tanks. When you look at the ratio between each role and bad players in that role. You are for more likely to get a bad tank over a bad healer or bad DPS.... there are just not many of them.

Now... with DPS pulling... that's them being an *** and wanting to speed run every thing. Because the amount of mechanics a DPS needs to know compared to a tank is like a 5th. They don't need to know about tank swaps or positioning or how the tanks are going to deal with certain situations if they pop up. Hell most of the time you can brain dead yourself as a DPS and just tune every thing out and smash buttons and be fine. That doesn't work as a tank. This is happened to me before. I'm trying to teach a new tank to the mechanics of the fight so he doesn't wipe the group or get people killed and to my not very surprise a DPS jumps in or tracer missiles or what ever because mechanics aren't important.... we wipe.

So I've adopted an old rule that has become increasingly used with tanks as MMOs have gone on of "you pull it, you tank it". A couple times of that and normally the DPS stops. but then sometimes you still get those overly retarded ones that just can't learn.
This. If those of you idiot DPS who think it's cool to pull whenever you want and expect the tank to save your *****es, first, I'll happily watch you die, and then you'll be looking for another tank. Have fun waiting in GF - and don't expect to get me again because you'll be on my ignore list so fast it'll make your head spin.

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Powerinfusion
05.07.2015 , 09:01 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
This attitude ticks me off so much. Yes there are some DPS that are straight dumb. But I really flipping hate tanks that assume that since they are the sole determent of flashpoint pops that therefore everyone must grovel before their every whim.

I'm sick and tired of waiting hours for a pop just to get some mediocre tank that plays and behaves in a manner that would have earned a instant votekick if he had been a DPS, but since he is a tank nobody will argue with him.
Go away. Know your role, or don't play.

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Torvai
05.07.2015 , 09:30 AM | #14
Never have problems with pulling dps. Normally I have to wait for them to catch up on me

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Kaos_KidSWTOR
05.07.2015 , 09:40 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Torvai View Post
Never have problems with pulling dps. Normally I have to wait for them to catch up on me
I would have to agree there, although I have not tanked much 60 content on my Sin Tank (Waiting for that on the move Depredating Volts) but at level 30ish my Jugg Tank has to wait for people to catch up, although I can chain pull like 3 mobs and still facetank them while waiting for my healer to catch up.

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ron_harmeling
05.08.2015 , 09:49 AM | #16
Easy, you pull it, you tank it.

If someone ninja-pulls, ask the healer NOT to heal that DPS during the fight and focus on himself, tank and second DPS.

After dying three, four times and QQ'ing why he is not getting heal, and tank explaining pulling is HIS job, he'll leave or get the point.

In Ops : votekick away, after one very vocal warning in Ops chat.

cba to play with those kind of arses.

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Torvai
05.08.2015 , 03:28 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by ron_harmeling View Post
After dying three, four times and QQ'ing why he is not getting heal, and tank explaining pulling is HIS job, he'll leave or get the point.
No, a tanks job is to hold aggro on most or all enemies and not wasting everybody elses time by standing around or being a diva.
Seriously, pretty much EVERY time I've witnessed a tank complaining about pulling dps, it's because they're wasting time standing around. Check if everybody's there and has enough resources, then pull. You don't need every cooldown your class has for every pull.

And before somebody complains: 8 of the 12 toons listed in my signature are tanks.

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Kawabonga
05.11.2015 , 08:30 AM | #18
I'm just gonna quote myself from a similar thread from 2 years ago (lame, i know)

Quote: Originally Posted by Kawabonga View Post
I felt it insulting when people sat idly by waiting for me to "build aggro". I find it doubly insulting these days when a raid leader says "let the tank build aggro".
Every tank at every level has all the tools to keep aggro on anything. It might take a guard if there's a well geared player 5 or 6 level above yours, but that's all there is to it. Stop complaining about other people and start thinking about what you can do to make yourself better. A brain dead dps coming along for the ride in a flashpoint just makes it more fun (hard).
I also find it insulting when i dps. Why should i not do my job because the tank doesn't want to do his?
^^^
This also applies to people pulling first.

And please guys, explaining tactics to another tank? All the bosses in SM can be solo tanked.

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Devilzownz
05.11.2015 , 10:47 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Torvai View Post
No, a tanks job is to hold aggro on most or all enemies and not wasting everybody elses time by standing around or being a diva.
Seriously, pretty much EVERY time I've witnessed a tank complaining about pulling dps, it's because they're wasting time standing around. Check if everybody's there and has enough resources, then pull. You don't need every cooldown your class has for every pull.

And before somebody complains: 8 of the 12 toons listed in my signature are tanks.
While I mostly agree with this statement, it also kind of depends on if you're talking about FP or Ops. If you're talking FPs, unless that dps pulls more than you can handle and wipes the group, who cares? I haven't tanked all of the ops in this game yet, but did plenty of progression raiding for years in WoW and the times I did pug, if a dps pulled, either he got kicked or I just left. If I'm just running around in FPs as long as you're not pulling a boss before me I will taunt whatever you pull to me and tank as I should be, but ops are something much different. If I'm waiting on a pull in an Op it's for a reason. If you're not a tank and you pull in an Op, I default to "you pull it, you tank it".

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Torvai
05.18.2015 , 03:03 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Devilzownz View Post
While I mostly agree with this statement, it also kind of depends on if you're talking about FP or Ops. If you're talking FPs, unless that dps pulls more than you can handle and wipes the group, who cares? I haven't tanked all of the ops in this game yet, but did plenty of progression raiding for years in WoW and the times I did pug, if a dps pulled, either he got kicked or I just left. If I'm just running around in FPs as long as you're not pulling a boss before me I will taunt whatever you pull to me and tank as I should be, but ops are something much different. If I'm waiting on a pull in an Op it's for a reason. If you're not a tank and you pull in an Op, I default to "you pull it, you tank it".
Doesn't really matter if FP's or ops, really. Outside of bossfights, there's little reason to wait for cooldowns most of the time.
Even when we get started with an op and people are still semi afk, still zoning into the instance, or not even online yet, me and my co-tank are like "we have a dps and a heal? Alright, lets pull"
And this is in HM or NiM ops