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— Rey is just Rey. Kylo sees into her mind and confronts deep down Rey herself knows this too even if she’s tried hard to forget and fool herself; her parents were nobodies. Low lifes from Jakku who sold her off and who are now dead.

 

— Throughout the movie, Rey and Kylo see each other often, can touch and speak to each other through the Force and Snoke later claims he has linked their minds. All the interaction however has put me square onto #TeamReylo.

 

— Snoke dies by Kylo’s hand in a surprising twist and we never really discover who exactly he was or if he’s gone by other identities. It’s a bit anticlimactic though nicely done. Kylo becomes the new Supreme Leader.

 

— Luke dies, alone and by choice on the island as he uses the last of his strength and power to Force-project himself to Crait and save the Resistance, speak to Leia and engage in a last confrontation with a frustrated and betrayed Kylo.

 

— While Kylo was under Luke’s apprenticeship there was a moment where Luke stood over a sleeping Kylo and sensed an alarming amount of darkness in him. We learn that Luke considered killing Kylo then and there, his lightsaber lit, but quickly changed his mind again. However, the damage was done as Kylo woke up to find his uncle and Master stood over him with a lightsaber, leading to their fight, causing Kylo to destroy the Jedi Temple and leave, feeling betrayed, and turning to Snoke who’d already begun to feed Kylo’s darkness.

 

— Luke hasn’t turned dark, nor is he still the Jedi he once was. He’s fairly disillusioned, lamenting that at the height of their power, in their hubris and blindness, the Order allowed for their own downfall at the hands of Palpatine and Vader. Luke’s bitter, had enough, and feels the Order as it was needs to die with him.

 

— Luke is not the last Jedi. As he battles Kylo, he points out the war is only just beginning now and a new Jedi has risen; Rey.

 

— Kylo has a chance to kill his mother during one of the space battles, he doubts, they see each other through the Force and he doesn’t go through with it.

 

— Another attack does blow Leia into space where she’s suspended for a while before swimming/floating back to the safety of the ship. Feels like some extra emphasis put on Leia’s Force affinity.

 

— Leia survives and sits with Rey in the second to last scene as they discuss how to move forward.

 

— Finn gets into it with Phasma and following a very nice fight between them, he kills her.

 

— Yoda makes a surprise appearance to share some final typical Yoda-wisdom with Luke; failure is our biggest lesson in life, or something to that extend.

 

— There’s a little slave boy at the very end who appears to grab a broomstick but it actually kind of jumps to his hand before he fully touches it, leaving us with the thought there’s still more Force users out there in the galaxy.

 

— The Resistance takes some heavy blows and in the end there’s only a handful of them left.

 

— Poor Hux, now also known as ‘General Hugs’, gets mocked and tossed around a lot.

 

— Porgs are cute though Chewie disagrees.

 

 

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I'm both surprised and not so surprised by the dislike.

 

Personally, I enjoyed the movie plenty. It wasn't perfect no, and there were moments where I felt a little letdown and frowny;

 

 

- Snoke's death was surprising but a bit disappointing. I'd really hoped he'd turn out to be someone special, this immortal evil but then it's just suddenly dead and nothing, and it feels like wasted potential.

 

- The scene where Luke tells Rey to 'reach out' and she sticks her arm forward, and he tickles her fingers then whacks her hand... funny as it was, it felt almost too parody like and on the nose making it a bit awkward too.

 

- Luke's death, while I'd expected it, was a disappointment as well. The death itself, in how it plays out, is cool but I don't like this sense that they invited Ford, Hamill and Fischer to be part of these movies only to kill them off one by one, like trying to piggyback off them before kicking them to the mud.

 

- I'm in duality over Rey's parentage. While I like the idea she stands on her own two feet without an epic family legacy tied to her, at the same time I'd hoped we might see names of the past live on through her be it Obi-wan or even Luke. It also feels like they put a lot of intentional hype in TFA about who Rey may be only to just completely axe all of it in this one.

 

- Rose, as lovely as her character is, I don't quite see the point in her introduction or story.

 

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I'm both surprised and not so surprised by the dislike.

 

Personally, I enjoyed the movie plenty. It wasn't perfect no, and there were moments where I felt a little letdown and frowny;

 

 

- Snoke's death was surprising but a bit disappointing. I'd really hoped he'd turn out to be someone special, this immortal evil but then it's just suddenly dead and nothing, and it feels like wasted potential.

 

- The scene where Luke tells Rey to 'reach out' and she sticks her arm forward, and he tickles her fingers then whacks her hand... funny as it was, it felt almost too parody like and on the nose making it a bit awkward too.

 

- Luke's death, while I'd expected it, was a disappointment as well. The death itself, in how it plays out, is cool but I don't like this sense that they invited Ford, Hamill and Fischer to be part of these movies only to kill them off one by one, like trying to piggyback off them before kicking them to the mud.

 

- I'm in duality over Rey's parentage. While I like the idea she stands on her own two feet without an epic family legacy tied to her, at the same time I'd hoped we might see names of the past live on through her be it Obi-wan or even Luke. It also feels like they put a lot of intentional hype in TFA about who Rey may be only to just completely axe all of it in this one.

 

- Rose, as lovely as her character is, I don't quite see the point in her introduction or story.

 

 

 

They probably could've shown him being even more powerful at some point, but it was quite the surprise, which made it interesting.

 

That felt like a nod to Luke and Yoda imo, however, it of course plays out differently, because it's Luke as the Master and not Yoda.

 

Luke's death just ruined the movie. It's like the believe every Jedi Master has to die in sacrifice, except for Yoda, who dies of old age. Not saying Luke shouldn't have been worn out, but it was a crap ending that while Luke may have done something awesome, he should've been strong enough to not die from it. Wasn't expecting it, but maybe I was just hoping they wouldn't be that stupid.

 

Rose's introduction was forced. I get why they did it. They should've done it with Holdo's character instead and had Finn go off with someone else we've already seen in the movie (maybe even Maz). I did love her line to Finn about how it should be about fighting to protect the ones they love and not fighting the ones they hate. Good Star Wars line there :)

 

Also, I loved the porgs and want one in game now :)

 

 

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#PureDisappointment

 

1. "Supreme" Leader Snoke is a joke. (They gave him the Emperor's theme LOL, he does not live up to it, unless he somehow comes back during the next movie.)

2. Super Leia lol

There was a far better way of doing this

3. Phasma and Finn fighting

Literally SHE DID NOTHING, AGAIN HAD EVEN LESS LINES AND DIES FASTER THAN SNOKE.

 

These are only the main problems I had with the movie, there are much more.

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Fussy pedantry and a bit of analysis:

 

Finn didn't kill Phasma. He knocked her down and smashed her helmet, but she was still alive until the floor disintegrated and dropped her into a mess of fire.

 

And if you look at the translated name of the film, it was clear that the [REDACTED] who kept spamming that "The Last Jedi" could be plural was actually on to something. In French, where articles and adjectives have plural forms, the name is "Les derniers Jedi" => plural. And the lasts Jedis (taking a moment to abuse English grammar) are, indeed, Luke and Rey (and perhaps anyone who comes after).

 

Nice touch that the books weren't burned, and I'm glad to see a Star Wars film with less blatant disrespect for the conventional laws of physics. (See second spoiler box, below.)

 

Overall, I thought it was pretty good. Not 100% the best thing ever, but with nice structural nods to RotJ.

 

As with all long-running series, Star Wars has suffered heavily from the "one bigger" problem - each episode's writer seems to feel the need to do something "one bigger" than the episode before (as measured in chronological order of production, not of in-world timeline). The writing for ESB showed a great deal of restraint in that respect, and, while TLJ is also a victim of it, they did one thing well, in focusing on the *people* and their interactions rather than the *tech* to a greater extent than some of the earlier films.

 

 

This disrespect for physics begins in ANH (but I'm not talking about hyperspace travel, not instantaneous long-range communications). The energy required to reduce an Earth-sized planet to rubble is equal to the total output of our Sun during a period of about 12 days. How exactly the Death Star could generate and store that much energy is less than totally clear.

 

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My only issues were

 

1) Ackbar, for such a important character they killed him off so badly, i would have preferred he be the one to sacrifice himself by hyperspaceing the ship into the first order fleet.

2) snoke a surprise yes but the fact he was made out to be the big bad behind it all really just let it down he died so easily.

3) Pointless Casino planet i mean in the end that whole mission was pointless.

4) Plasma, i hope shes alive cause that was a very disapointing death (though better than bobas.)

 

 

i love the rest of the film however it was different and thankfully not a ESB rehash in such a way like TFA was ANH rehash.

Heres hoping JJ doesn't rehash jedi if he making episode 9

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#Angry and furious!

 

I am a die-hard Star Wars fan and this installment while had a good Luke's plot failed on many other points.

 

 

 

Things that I cannot accept:

 

1. Utter nonsense with unconscious Leia flying back though the vacuum to the ship. I mear REALLY?

2. Snoke - a character hyped to be a next gen-big bada boss, with a "mystery" around him turns out to be completely no one and dies like in extremely stupid way. How come he could not sense that?

3. Rey being a scion of.....another no-ones. Again 2 years of hype completely ruined.

4. Slapstick jokes.

 

Things that I am fine with:

 

1. Luke's death - I thought it will end this way. Cannot understand so many are complaining it was lame - actually try to project yourself via Force through galaxy and see if you do not die from exhaustion. Simply his "mana" was gone. Luke dies like last honorable Jedi Knight, doing excatly what they are/were supposed to do.

 

2. Although it defies laws of gravitation, I can live with "bombs falling" onto the dreadnought.

 

3 Kylo trying to be the next villain. You simply cannot see that coming form such an emo brat, but perhaps there is hope in him and he will really become a Dark Lord.

 

Rest is passable.

Big question though: HOW will they explain Leias absence in the next movie??

 

I REALLY hope Kylo was lying to Rey - using deception is Sith way, isn;t it?

 

 

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I walked out after an hour and didn't go back. One of the most awful movies made and if there's a final nail on the coffin of star wars? this was it. TFA was bad but not as bad as this. Really I can't understand why anyone would like this garbage.
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I liked it (I was on the edge of my seat quite a few times), but I admit there were some parts that felt weak.

Praise: Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo. She was as gorgeous as she was brave :(

The development of Kylo Ren. He became much more likable character for me now, I can't wait to see what will happen to him in next film. (And I've began to ship ReyLo after this film, lol :D)

The Porgs. So adorable, I want to hug them and snuggle their plump little bodies, so cute. ^^

The Praetorian Guard, albeit not doing much, fought well against Rey and Kylo.

BB-8 was awesome, love that little droid. <3

Rose and Finn, I almost started to weep with that last quote from her. :( I actually hope that she and Finn end up together. :)

Overall, I liked the touch of comedy in film too.

Gripes: Supreme Leader Snoke felt weak. Sure, he was powerful in the Force but to be cut down like that made me hold my breath. I kinda wish that he returns in next film as the ultimate bad guy who gets cut down.

Phasma. Once again, she was disappointment. She looked awesome again (it was cool to see that her Chromium armor could reflect blaster bolts) and she actually fought against Finn but the screen time given to Gwendoline was very little (and her portrayal of Brienne of Tarth in Game of Thrones is very close to Martin's novels). I wish that she will come back again in next film, with slightly bigger role.

 

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#Angry and furious!

 

I am a die-hard Star Wars fan and this installment while had a good Luke's plot failed on many other points.

 

 

 

Things that I cannot accept:

 

1. Utter nonsense with unconscious Leia flying back though the vacuum to the ship. I mear REALLY?

2. Snoke - a character hyped to be a next gen-big bada boss, with a "mystery" around him turns out to be completely no one and dies like in extremely stupid way. How come he could not sense that?

3. Rey being a scion of.....another no-ones. Again 2 years of hype completely ruined.

4. Slapstick jokes.

 

Things that I am fine with:

 

1. Luke's death - I thought it will end this way. Cannot understand so many are complaining it was lame - actually try to project yourself via Force through galaxy and see if you do not die from exhaustion. Simply his "mana" was gone. Luke dies like last honorable Jedi Knight, doing excatly what they are/were supposed to do.

 

2. Although it defies laws of gravitation, I can live with "bombs falling" onto the dreadnought.

 

3 Kylo trying to be the next villain. You simply cannot see that coming form such an emo brat, but perhaps there is hope in him and he will really become a Dark Lord.

 

Rest is passable.

Big question though: HOW will they explain Leias absence in the next movie??

 

I REALLY hope Kylo was lying to Rey - using deception is Sith way, isn;t it?

 

 

 

 

Could have easily left one of the most powerful Jedi ever, exhausted.

 

Or maybe even...watch him lift his X-Wing out of the water. Arrive in time to save Finn and take out the cannon and then have a lightsaber fight the levels of the prequels with Kylo.

 

Then maaaaybe have him die in the third movie. However, there's no reason to not have him stay on as a mentor and live! He's an awesome Jedi, he didn't have to die some death planets away.

 

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I loved this movie. I was a bit disappointed with the last one TBH so my expectations where a little lower than before, but it was good.

 

This movie kept me entertained and aside from the detour to the casino world it had good pacing and kept me wanting more each scene.

 

The whole Snoke deal, IMO was awesome. It was surprising and had me wondering what would happen next with Kylo and Rey.

 

IMO, if Snoke was not going to be Darth Palagius, then this was the better route than creating a "new" character that was Secretly as strong as Palpatine.

 

The only thing this movie was missing was Lando. I really hoped he would show up in the final scene.

 

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Could have easily left one of the most powerful Jedi ever, exhausted.

 

Or maybe even...watch him lift his X-Wing out of the water. Arrive in time to save Finn and take out the cannon and then have a lightsaber fight the levels of the prequels with Kylo.

 

Then maaaaybe have him die in the third movie. However, there's no reason to not have him stay on as a mentor and live! He's an awesome Jedi, he didn't have to die some death planets away.

 

 

The Jedi dont really die when they become Force Ghosts. They live on forever; training Jedi for many generations to come. It's more like he transcended than died.

 

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My only issues were

 

1) Ackbar, for such a important character they killed him off so badly, i would have preferred he be the one to sacrifice himself by hyperspaceing the ship into the first order fleet.

2) snoke a surprise yes but the fact he was made out to be the big bad behind it all really just let it down he died so easily.

3) Pointless Casino planet i mean in the end that whole mission was pointless.

4) Plasma, i hope shes alive cause that was a very disapointing death (though better than bobas.)

 

 

i love the rest of the film however it was different and thankfully not a ESB rehash in such a way like TFA was ANH rehash.

Heres hoping JJ doesn't rehash jedi if he making episode 9

 

 

Captain Phasma was all hype since the last movie. I would be glad to see that subplot go. The character was wasted and she could of been cool, but it was handeled wrong in the last movie and she doesnt progress the story in any way.

 

The same goes for Snoke. Had Snoke been palagus, then they could bridge all the films. Introducing a new big bad that was supposed to be super old and equal to the emperor, just takes away from Palpatine. This was a good way to just not have to dive into a whole new character and gives the writers more freedom to make Kylo Ren a more depth story and focus on his new relationship with Rey.

 

In a way this goes for killing of Luke. No Luke and no Snoke will afford us more detailed stories about Kylo and Rye, since they are the main protaganist and antaganist, this keeps the films from being over saturated with storylines.

 

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I personally really enjoyed the movie. I could have done without some of the stupid humor and jokes but the one thing that most people haven't considered is

that at the end of the movie, Rey said that Luke died peaceful and with a purpose. I really don't think they "killed off" Luke as so many have said. I think he will still be an important character in episode 9. I feel that Luke made the choice to become one with the force in order to better Rey in her training through 9.

 

As far as where Leia goes from here, I can't remember where, but I did read where Carrie Fisher's family gave Disney permission to use her likeness, So we may see a bit of Leia as a CG character in 9, just as they did with her younger self in Rogue One.

 

 

These are simply my opinions and what I think could happen.

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Overall, I enjoyed it. Was it the best movie ever? Nope, not by a long shot and here are my gripes:

 

First scene with Poe attacking the dreadnought- um super dreadnought with no shields? Inconsistent when star destroyers have shields.

 

Leia- using the force to freeze herself to survive in space then propel back to the wreckage to which she was jettisoned.

I love Princess Leia and having her die would have been way more dramatic then her using the force to stay alive.

 

Snoke- Why all the hype just to kill him off so quick. Baffled as to why he wasn't able to sense Kylo moving the lightsaber right next to him when scene prior to that showed him to be so omnipotent. Very anticlimactic.

 

Rey- a nobody? Fringer parents who sold her for quick creds? What the F? So lame

 

DJ- Benecio's character was a poor attempt to bring in a Han Solo ish rogue that failed completely.

 

Finn and Rose riding on giant rabbits? That whole scene of them riding through the city was terrible. Very Harry Potterish.

 

Yoda- he looked like a odd mix of puppet and cgi and the practical jokes? Really? c'mon

 

I'm going to watch it again just to look for loopholes. I put this movie in 5th place. ESB, ANH, ROTJ, ROTS, TLJ, RO, TFA, AOTC, TPM

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To everyone complaining about Rey's parents keep in mind one thing, Kylo is barely older than Rey if he is at all so how would he know who her parents are especially since he didn't even know of her existence until TFA?

 

I believe this was just a device he used to tempt Rey to join him, he knew she was angry at him for killing his own father who loved him very much so he knows that family and therefore extended family connections are important to her. What better way to convince her to join him than to destroy her hope in her family and establish himself as the only person who has a shared connection with her and knows her better than anyone else? Therefore I really don't believe we've been told anything about Rey's parentage, other than what Rey herself now believes.

 

For me, I believe it's ESB's Vader-Luke reveal flipped on its head to achieve the same purpose, getting Luke/Rey to join Vader/Kylo. In ESB, Vader tells Luke something about his parentage that is true and Luke refuses to believe it even up until ROTJ while in TLJ, Kylo tells Rey something about her parentage that is likely false and she believes in it.

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Really mixed feelings about this, you could say I kinda loved it and hated it. I am also one of those few that liked Force Awakens, yes it was too much like reboot, but it created interesting mysteries like Snoke or who are Reys parents...

 

 

Lets talk about Snoke. Disneys version of the emperor who will conquer the galax.. *urgh*

Suprising twist for sure, but also so lackluster. What was the point of all the build up?

 

How about Rey, Rey who seem lady of many talents. Learning? pfft, thats for talentless, its obvious that Reys great natural abilities are explained because Reys parents are powerful force users and thats why I hav.. What? They were random nobodies who sold Rey for spice or something? What was the point of all the build up?

 

Captain Phasma, cool arch nemesis of Finn. We gonna see lot more of he... *urgh*

 

Snoke's ship exploded, but wheres Rey? Oh no, did she die? She still not back? Wait, is that Rey? Where? How? When? WHAT!?

 

Oh no, Princess dies. Well, that was expected, its sad, but at least this is kinda cool way to go. Wait? What is happening? *Superman theme playing in my head* *Epic skull cracking facepalm*

 

Oh man, Luke is back! He is gonna kick some ***! Oh, he was just astral projection or something. Well, at least he survi.. *urgh*

 

 

So whole Force Awakens was just trolling? Look all cool stuff in this, I bet you can't wait to see where this all leads? Nowhere!

 

For me Last Jedi is lot like Fallen Empire, it promises a lot, but fails to deliver, I still like them though.

Last Jedi is not worst Star Wars movie, not by a long shot, but it is most disappointing one. Force Awaken was flawed for sure, but it still delivered air of mystery and made me wonder about Snoke's Identity and Rey's parents. Those questions would echo in my head long after I watched it and made me wait next episode so much more. After Last Jedi next episode is like any big movie, gonna see it, but thats all, like any another movie, nothing special.

 

Considering that Disney's Star Wars movies seem to take stuff from extanded universe, I kinda hope that Snoke would be like Valkorion, whispering to Kylo Ren's ear that he could commit to darkside fully (probably by killing Rey) so Snoke could take over or episode 9 main character would be Kylo Ren (he is most interesting character for me at the moment). Sure, many of you would think its awful idea, but I still think Snoke has huge amount of wasted potential as antagonist.

 

Maybe Disney's Star Wars should be judged as trilogy and not as individual movies...? Need to wait and see I guess.

 

As a Star Wars 7/10, as a movie 9/10.

 

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