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When is our time to be feared Bioware?

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When is our time to be feared Bioware?

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ZeroPlus
01.03.2014 , 04:09 AM | #11
Some changes are coming:
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
First off, Happy New Year everyone! I am back in the office now from the holidays so we are right back to some yellow posts

Game Update 2.6 first and foremost will mark the launch of Galactic Starfighter! That will mean the introduction of:
  • The Gunship unlock available for F2P players.
  • A new Gunship variant.
  • Two Bomber variants!
  • ...and more! We will talk more about this next week.
Also, Game Update 2.6 will come with a few class changes, here is just an overview of some of what you will see:
  • A fairly significant DPS boost for Operatives/Scoundrels.
  • Mercenaries/Commandos will now have a skill to eliminate pushback on Tracer Missile/Grav Round and Power Shot/Charged Bolts.
  • Sorcerers/Sages will now have a skill to eliminate pushback on Lightning Strike and Force Lightning/Disturbance and Telekinetic Throw.
  • Mercenaries/Commandos can now cast Kolto Shell/Trauma Probe on more than one target at a time.
  • Mercenaries/Commandos can now use Rapid Shots/Hammer Shot on themselves while Combat Support Cylinder/Combat Support Cell are active.
As always, look for the 2.6 patch notes for a full list of all changes that are coming! That is just a preview of what is to come.

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01.03.2014 , 10:02 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by NathanielStarr View Post
No Mercs get jumped on because they are easy kills
If you're an easy kill, that's on you. Personally I'm a hard kill, but my damage suffers greatly when I'm getting focused. That is normally the case for all classes with the exception of melee who can't get interrupted. if we get interrupt immunity it would make us much more difficult to lock down, but because of our burst we are always going to be near the top of the "kill first" list.
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JohnnyFG
01.07.2014 , 12:33 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by BigDumbViking View Post
If you're an easy kill, that's on you. Personally I'm a hard kill, but my damage suffers greatly when I'm getting focused. That is normally the case for all classes with the exception of melee who can't get interrupted. if we get interrupt immunity it would make us much more difficult to lock down, but because of our burst we are always going to be near the top of the "kill first" list.
Come to TOFN, you are an easy kill. ;D
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Macroeconomics
01.07.2014 , 02:31 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyFG View Post
Come to TOFN, you are an easy kill. ;D
The dps Mercs who claim they are not an easy kill or claim they can easily defeat all other classes all the time, simply don't play in competitive settings. For example, back in the BH forum a Merc made a post about how you should be about to use Tracer Missile repeatedly without a problem and if it is a problem for you, you are bad. Well technically speaking he might be right. Getting TM off isn't that hard as long as you can get isolation on a single enemy and you have all your abilities off CD. But in a competitive arena, it doesn't work that way. In a competitive arena, you will get off zero Tracer Missiles if the enemy has two operative/scoundrels and your team only has one. Or at best one Tracer Missile if the number of operative/scoundrels is equal on both teams. That's it. You'll also get off one HSM, one Explosive Dart, one Rocket Punch and after that it is all Rapid Shots. People who do not play group ranked simply can not conceptualize the level of coordination that can occur and how easy it is to nullify a casting class with coordination.

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phat_maban
01.09.2014 , 06:06 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus View Post
Actually, if you think about it, you are "feared". That is why you are being focused down first. Because the enemy team knows that if they don't, you will decimate them. They are taking out the highest threat to them: you.

Also, as you noted, if you take advantage of this and "tank" them, you give your team time to take out some of them. If you survive the initial focusing on you then you become exactly what the opposing team feared.

All this means that you aren't being focused because you are an "easy kill" (a Merc/Commando that focuses on surviving takes a while to kill), you are being focused because you are a real danger to the opposing team: someone to be feared.

Being feared means that you will be the priority kill. That is the way the game plays . Being "feared" doesn't mean that you get to be "immortal".
I signed in just to reply to this. I have full bis pvp gear and im a experienced merc. I can survive a fair while being focused and in a arena I will see if there is a merc. Merc and heals will be burned down first and I will in no way choose the merc because I fear his dps I choose him because he is squishy and easy to burn. Much better having a dps down on the other side even if he is not the top dps.

there is some good mercs out there but not many that can survive when put under pressure.
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NathanielStarr
01.13.2014 , 06:07 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by BigDumbViking View Post
If you're an easy kill, that's on you. Personally I'm a hard kill, but my damage suffers greatly when I'm getting focused. That is normally the case for all classes with the exception of melee who can't get interrupted. if we get interrupt immunity it would make us much more difficult to lock down, but because of our burst we are always going to be near the top of the "kill first" list.
I've got news for you if you are a Mercenary and aren't a healer you're an easy kill. With only a 25% shield on a 2 minute cooldown as your only real defense it's mathematically proven.

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Ottoattack
01.14.2014 , 01:20 PM | #17
I strongly disagree regarding merc problem is defensive by any means. Between heavy armor, shield, KOL, instant off heal, HO and jet boast, I do not only think merc survivability is good, I think it is more than what is needed for a ranged class. What gives the impression that survivability is an issue is susceptibility to interrupts. When you can get interrupted 2-3 times by one enemy in 10 secs how will cast anything? And that can be easily upped to 5-6 interrupts by 2 enemies (like arenas) to completely shut down merc's dps.

The problem is clear and the solution is simple. Make TM and PS immune to interrupts (maybe unload as well) and the class will be a contender on the spot. This push back crap is silly and does nothing (mercs are at 70% already). Until interrupt protection is available I suggest everyone to re-roll for PvP. In 4v4 especially merc dps barely works.

I am not sure if how well will the healer fair after the recent changes.

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Luckeyduckey
01.14.2014 , 02:24 PM | #18
Top DPS in PVE isn't bad. Pyro Mercs are pretty good in PvP too.

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kennethdale
01.14.2014 , 09:53 PM | #19
I am going to be deploying soon and will be quitting completely with no intention of ever returning but I have really enjoyed my merc so I thought I would chime in.

Mercs are very good in PvE right now. Heat is, always has been, and will continue to be our biggest set back in PvE as in most encounters, making a mistake with your heat will ruin your ability to DPS. Its easier to keep heat low in Pyro, but easier to recover in Arsenal. There is no other DPS spec that I have played (Sorc Lightning, Sorc Madness, Sorc Hybrid, Juggernaut Vengeance, Juggernaut Rage, Mara Anni, Mara Carn, Mara Rage, Sin Madness, Sin Deception, PT Pyro, PT AP, PT Hybrid, Merc Pyro, Merco Arsenal, and Merc Pyro Hybrid) which is more difficult to come back from a mistake. If you want to go by the DPS charts alone, you'll seen fantastic numbers from fantastic players who did great things but most people will only be able to match those numbers if they get completely and utterly lucky. Most people make mistakes and those mistakes will ruin a Merc's DPS. Should the system be completely scrapped? No, it can be fixed but right now the heat costs are far too high and too many of our abilities are completely useless.

In unranked PvP, Mercs can do pretty well. particularly I find Pyro to be a lot of fun in unranked. Run around DoTing the crap out of people using instants and broken-cast Unload's to proc Rail Shot. Arsenal is more tough but more destructive if given the ability to free cast, something you rarely get in PvP, ranked or unranked. Ranked PvP is a bit different. I don't claim to be a PvP god or even a PvP good, but I'm not horrible and I occasionally tag along with some much better PvPers than myself. In Arenas without fail, if there is a merc on the other team chances are great we'll win. Not because we're great but because I know how to DoT and run and Mercs are squishy. Super, super, super, super, super, super squishy. I tend to play pyro pretty exclusively in ranked when I do because of the increased mobility and slight protection from DoTs. For me it works better; DoT up, throw out CDs on the focus target, defensive CDs, hide, blow my heat healing myself up.

Any merc who tells you they're not squishy is either lying or hasn't faced enough good teams to know what being squishy feels like. Can you survive on a good team? Sure, your team can learn to use you like a glass cannon. You blow everything on a focus target and die. They clean up the rest. It works fine, but a good team will always kill the merc not because we hit hard. Not because we're played by extraordinarily good PvPers, not because we are special at all. In a good way that is. They kill us first because we are the easiest to shut down. There is no waiting when you burst down a merc. A Sorc might be a hair more squishy but they have that pesky immunity bubble. So you'll have to lower them once, watch them get healed up and then lower them again. Ops can simply stealth and heal up. Maras have some bad-*** defensives that'll keep them up. Juggs are pretty hard to burst down quickly. So are PTs. Sins are pretty easy to burn but they have that pesky cloak. Snipers? They're OP as all get out. Knockbacks, immunities, stuns, slows, every damn trick in the book. Mercs? They have nothing. They can reduce damage a bit but not by much and its on a superlong CD so that's not going to keep them up through a hard, targeted burn. Kolto Overload doesn't heal any where near enough to keep you alive from targeted fire. So because we have no real escape mechanism, we get targeted first. We die and our team is down at best (from the perspective of the other team) a healer and at worst another DPS.

To sum up: Mercs are not in dire straits as some would have you believe. We're not the worst in the world at anything, but neither are we the best. We need a lot of love to be as good as everyone seems to think we are. Should every person be able to roll a merc and be top DPS? Absolutely not, but a good player shouldn't find themselves in a situation where they cannot through any means (memory or combat log reading) determine why they suddenly found themselves in a heat-hole they couldn't dig out of and subsequently had to waste a lot of time to get out of. Our CDs shouldn't be exist to fix innate class problems, they should be there to deal with short duration problems or increase our output. None of our CDs work for anything other than to fix issues. Eliminating heat cost and venting heat? Both put a bandaid on our resource system. Instant cast? That just lets us keep moving during ONE or TWO casts. Not much of a bandaid. We're not in a terrible place, but we're not in a good one. The fixes coming, at least those announced don't change any of this. If you want to play a game where the devs, listen I'd suggest checking out wildstar. Its what I'm hoping to do when I get back.
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