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Impossible to gain rating in ranked unless you cheat or exploit. Please address.

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Impossible to gain rating in ranked unless you cheat or exploit. Please address.

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Talon_strikes
05.19.2018 , 10:02 PM | #1
I've been playing ranked for the last 2 seasons after a long break and it's just completely broken now. It's full of memes, throwers, trolls, mat farmers, conquest farmers, mission completionists, and most importantly, cheaters and exploiters. Well in the most recent roadmap the following was stated:
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We’ll be focusing attention on exploiters, cheaters, and adjusting how Ranked Warzones complete. This will be an on-going effort, but like all of you, we want Warzones and Arenas to be fair, competitive, and fun.
Let's break that most important piece about ranked into 2 parts.

First, the cheaters and exploiters.

Are you guys finally going to start resetting ratings, taking away rewards, and banning the most egregious offenders? It's ridiculous that the cheaters and exploiters have really nothing to lose and everything to gain because you guys save the most severe punishments such as perma bans for offenses that affect the in-game economy or currency somehow.

Now there are a couple of players in the ranked community who are abusing a certain exploit to hide their characters from the leaderboards, exploiting them to top 3, and right before the season ends they plan on making those characters suddenly appear so they get the top 3 rewards.

There's also been a huge account-selling ring going on for accounts that exploited for top 3 rewards that's been going on for years and you guys have done nothing to stop it.

It's sad how gold and top 3 rewards feels like it's gated behind exploiters. I look at the leaderboards now and it looks like virtually every top 3 player in solos has backfilled or exploited for it in some way. Some players also backfilled for gold too.

Now for my second point. You guys said you will be "adjusting how Ranked Warzones complete". Does this mean you will be changing the elo system? Changing the way you gain and lose rating is sorely needed because ranked has such a small pool of players after the hype of the new season dies down, and when all of the "good players" are done farming rating for their mains they don't que until next season or, they use throwaway alts because the quality of the queue gets bad beyond belief.

It's so irritating when you're on a 1.6k+ rated toon and you lose 18+ rating for things beyond your control. Like, I almost made it to gold on one of my toons and then one day proceeded to lose about 100 elo in one day due to always getting memes and griefers on my team. I tried to climb again the next day and lost about 50 elo due to the same thing. Only 2 of my toons are at gold, and the rest of my alts are either BARELY bronze or lower due to this BS.

Someone at BW please advise!
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WayOfTheWarriorx
05.20.2018 , 12:19 AM | #2
I wouldn't get your hopes up too much based off that statement. If you read into some of the 'fine print' you'll see they are making somewhat nebulos critera "We will be looking into", "We are going to see what we can...".

Overall, however, I was impressed by the sheer fact that they did bring up so many of the things that PVPers are concerned about and what you guys have been discussing here in the PVP forums. Some of those things, I think they will carry through.

I think they will make some more PVP maps cross faction [some or all] which I personally hate but, a .lot of you guys are in favor of it so that's a plus for those who are pro-crossfaction, [Trixxie and Rafi did a great job putten out the rally cries]. - I think map choices in quece will likely be instituted as well.

As far as Ranked goes. IMO [and just in my opinion], you will never get something so tied to e-pen to not be exploited or cheated in. Even if they did fix the present ones being used, people will always find new ways of getting around things. New hacks will come out, new tactics found, and duplicity isn't always provable. There is no way to tell who might be intentionally throwing a fight if they aren't stupid and make it obvious. That one thing alone will make rating bogus.

People cheat in the Olympics, they cheat in professional sports that are being televised, people cheat at computer games all the time. There are entire websites devoted to specific games that people have made cheats and mods for for download so other people can cheat using the cheats the made. People cheat in fights, they cheat at gambling, they cheat on the women they supposedly said they would remain faithful too [If you love your wife, you will make sure she never finds out. All guys cheat, given the opportunity.] People don't care about fair, they care about being the biggest, baddest TOP 3 virgins with micro-sized real life pen.

As long as there is still virginity and rulers being made people will cheat at competitive aspects of video games. The irony is that they go to all that trouble to get Top 3 and in doing so all they have really gotten is the awareness by everyone else that they are cheaters. It's actually better to be Top 4-10, most of those people earned there places. Every last one of the Top 3 cheated. - Of course people are going to deny that, of course they are going to say "No not him,everyone else, but not him and not me". Of course they are going to say that, they still haven't gotten their cherry popped and they don't even know when they are excited because it's too small to even make a bulge.

It's unfortunate that it has gotten to such a severe state as it is now, a lot of people just want a fair shake at the gold. There is just too much e-pen involved in it and many people don't care how they get the recognition as long as they get it. Ranked is not respected by anyone anymore, which is unfortunate to the true players of it.
It's why I don't even bother doing it, there is no point.

I hope I'm wrong though and they do find some ways to make it a fair and clean fight.

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yellow_
05.20.2018 , 09:40 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Talon_strikes View Post
Now for my second point. You guys said you will be "adjusting how Ranked Warzones complete".
I think it's pretty clear that this most likely means changes to how acid works or just a new tiebreaker

Quote: Originally Posted by Talon_strikes View Post
It's sad how gold and top 3 rewards feels like it's gated behind exploiters.
top 3 is more complicated (bioware's habit of waiting until the end of the season to deal with exploiters makes the situation seem more hopeless than it is) but the presence of exploiters has fairly little to do with the difficulty of getting tier 1

every toon starting at 1200, bad class balance, and low populations are the primary drivers making tier 1 actually require some effort

also the fact people seem to feel entitled to it doesn't help either

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frosttj
05.21.2018 , 04:40 AM | #4
Solo ranked has always been crap shoot and really not worth getting bent out of shape over. From my experience, this playerbase is way to toxic and immature to handle a ranked pvp format. Group ranked, no one will queue once a dominant team emerges. Solo ranked protects people's ego and allows them to blame everyone and everthing else. So people keep playing it, and then post these long rants. If you don't want to make a team of your choosing, practice together, and win together...and want to queue up and try to win with 3 randos everytime, that's what you're going to get. The answer to everyone's ranked woe's (cheaters, exploiters, throwers, griefers, backfillers) has always been group ranked. You just have to toss your ego out and accept some losses.

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Alec_Fortescue
05.21.2018 , 05:48 AM | #5
Man, darth malgus is completely locked down now, usual credit selling and win-trading perpetrator is multiboxing three accounts simultaneously and leaving / playing whatever he finds convinient once he gets a pop. I was unable to play yesterday and my games were threw on purpose so i don't progress in leaderboards.

It is quite ridiculous. One of the top 3 sorcs was banned for a week this season due to movement-related hacks which he'd use during acid phase, being smart about disguising hack use but still got caught. I have the screenshot of the email he received. Now believe that his rating was never reset despite the fact that he was caught hacking in ranked. This is not cool.

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Group ranked, no one will queue once a dominant team emerges.
This is only partially true. The dominant group, in most cases, that makes others stop queuing are cheating and bringing along character farmed down to 0 elo in order to circumvent matchmaking and play against 1k groups despite them having 2500+ heroes.
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Now there are a couple of players in the ranked community who are abusing a certain exploit to hide their characters from the leaderboards, exploiting them to top 3, and right before the season ends they plan on making those characters suddenly appear so they get the top 3 rewards.

There's also been a huge account-selling ring going on for accounts that exploited for top 3 rewards that's been going on for years and you guys have done nothing to stop
This has to stop and action should be taken actively, not waiting 'til the end of the season when they make everyone else quit due to how hopeless it feels.

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Janglor
05.23.2018 , 09:12 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by frosttj View Post
Solo ranked has always been crap shoot and really not worth getting bent out of shape over. From my experience, this playerbase is way to toxic and immature to handle a ranked pvp format. Group ranked, no one will queue once a dominant team emerges. Solo ranked protects people's ego and allows them to blame everyone and everthing else. So people keep playing it, and then post these long rants. If you don't want to make a team of your choosing, practice together, and win together...and want to queue up and try to win with 3 randos everytime, that's what you're going to get. The answer to everyone's ranked woe's (cheaters, exploiters, throwers, griefers, backfillers) has always been group ranked. You just have to toss your ego out and accept some losses.
Hey you with the logic, get on out of here. We dont like your type around here.

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DavidAtkinson
05.23.2018 , 09:47 AM | #7
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Hey you with the logic, get on out of here. We dont like your type around here.
You just proved he is right..

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nepochop
05.23.2018 , 11:32 AM | #8
Yup, solo and group ranked is dominated by a small band of people who always get to top. Then they play so many games that it is hard to go through their history to check for the cheating. What they do is sync que, que dodge and much much more. it is easy for them to gain rating when they que as tanks, heals and so on. They also use bot accounts to leave que or match and many more dirty tricks.

The second issue is the mentioned account selling. That was quite popular, although I dont think its a thing now as the game is not so popular anymore so they cant be making money with this. However, I can say that bans are being made but I have yet to see rating resets for example.

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Lundorff
05.23.2018 , 11:49 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by nepochop View Post
The second issue is the mentioned account selling. That was quite popular, although I dont think its a thing now as the game is not so popular anymore so they cant be making money with this. However, I can say that bans are being made but I have yet to see rating resets for example.
It literally took me 30 seconds to find wintrading services and account selling. Game is fubar and their coming pvp changes will be too little and much too late.

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-Bob-
05.23.2018 , 01:32 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Lundorff View Post
It literally took me 30 seconds to find wintrading services and account selling. Game is fubar and their coming pvp changes will be too little and much too late.
So you're going to start using that now?
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