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Marauder Rage Guide (2.8+)


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Ryuku-sama
08.07.2014 , 06:27 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by TACeMossie View Post
BRB making my guides look more professional so they end up on dulfy.net
Good Luck
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Benirons
08.08.2014 , 02:57 AM | #12
Update: added opener without frenzy, a tips/tricks section and a list of Comboes during Cascading Power window.

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undiess
08.08.2014 , 04:51 AM | #13
Honestly,

I would love to see more updated guides like these on dulfy. I actually do like the dulfy website, no one can argue it's the best beginner/intermediate starting point and easily accessible. It's a lot better than noxxic and dulfy, and whoever else helps her update the site, constantly update all kinds of SWTOR information. The better guides only get used effectively once you really know your class.

So, I hope that some of the better guides out there end up on dulfy, this rage guide is really nice and I'd like to test it out on my sentinel and marauder. TAC's guide is excellent as well.

Not sure why someone was trolling about operatives. Kind of pointless to troll in a guide thread.

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Benirons
08.08.2014 , 07:09 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by undiess View Post
Honestly,

I would love to see more updated guides like these on dulfy. I actually do like the dulfy website, no one can argue it's the best beginner/intermediate starting point and easily accessible. It's a lot better than noxxic and dulfy, and whoever else helps her update the site, constantly update all kinds of SWTOR information. The better guides only get used effectively once you really know your class.

So, I hope that some of the better guides out there end up on dulfy, this rage guide is really nice and I'd like to test it out on my sentinel and marauder. TAC's guide is excellent as well.

Not sure why someone was trolling about operatives. Kind of pointless to troll in a guide thread.
Thanks for the thumbs up! :P Let me know how raging works out for you with the guide. Also, give a shoutout if there is something I missed that u would like to see covered too, it might be obvious that this is my first guide and am arbitrarily adding things to it as I think about them at this point.

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KeyboardNinja
08.09.2014 , 10:45 AM | #15
What is the motivation behind opening with Obliterate instead of Charge? Obviously, rage capping is annoying and Obliterate does more damage, but are those the only reasons? Regarding Rupture, if you're going to be delaying it as a matter of course, it will always be more optimal to put it right before a Smash rather than during the Cascading Power window. It's a 6 second DoT.

As a side note, I can mathematically confirm that Rage does have the best execute of all of the Marauder specs by far. You can almost use Vicious Throw on cooldown, you get the crit chance buff (improved by the surge talent), and you can reliably fit one into Cascading Power.
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g_mK
08.09.2014 , 11:15 AM | #16
I will mention something against the dulfy guide.
The dulfy guide recommends a 5/5/36 spec by putting 3 points in enrage slash to reduce the focus cost of VS and VT. However I would like to note that the 2/8/36 is focus neutral where your are not spending more focus than what you generate from BA and Frenzy (if your are using assault in the rotation, your a probably doing something wrong); Is better to put the points into Dual Wield Mastery
Also, though usually considered a bad single target spec, current rage parses show that is as competitive as carnage in single target, with no RNG
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Benirons
08.09.2014 , 11:13 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by KeyboardNinja View Post
What is the motivation behind opening with Obliterate instead of Charge? Obviously, rage capping is annoying and Obliterate does more damage, but are those the only reasons? Regarding Rupture, if you're going to be delaying it as a matter of course, it will always be more optimal to put it right before a Smash rather than during the Cascading Power window. It's a 6 second DoT.

As a side note, I can mathematically confirm that Rage does have the best execute of all of the Marauder specs by far. You can almost use Vicious Throw on cooldown, you get the crit chance buff (improved by the surge talent), and you can reliably fit one into Cascading Power.
The way my rotation flows OB ends up right b4 SM each time. So u can start with charge then next time around use OB b4 SM on a parse, but there is not much sense in doing that. With a VS b4 RV tafter berserk u can get back to the optimal rage lvl. But still why OB first? Simply put why not, it does a lot more dmg than a charge.

As for RU, delaying it too much can and will mess up ur rage mamagement (just avoid its use completly and u will run into issues). 2 rage vs 3 is very important to exploit especially if, as Don said, the rotation is rage neutral.

Your r compelely correct. RU right b4 SM is the most optimal place to put it at. HOwever, in practice it does not work out that way due to how things line up and the fact that there is a 0.5 sec left on OB when im about to use RU. So long as part of the dots get buffed, its a dps gain. But u should be looking at RU primarily as a resource managment tool first so that u dont need enraged slash, and dmg dealing tool which outperforms a single vicous slash.

Edit: U raise a valid point about rupture, I do use it right b4 my first SM in the opener, ill look into if it is possible to follow the same pattern.

Edi (2): I have rewatched the vid I posted for the guide and got u an answer for RU during cascading power, sub 30% that is. There is in all 1 GCD where u need to do something b4 going into ur next OB then SM. That something sub 30% unqeuivocally becomes VT/FC depending (right after BA where RU would normally be used). Since there is really no other place to put RU and since it has to be used, RU is inevitably forced into the Cascading power window. Above 30% there is no such issue.

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Benirons
08.10.2014 , 09:42 PM | #18
I gave rupture some thought as to how we can put it such that it lands comfortably right b4 our next smash. The rotation is quite different and seems like its the "other way around." But with a different opener it is quite doable, rage management reamains the same. More on this soon in the guide. I have yet to find out how well this does dps wise, since it will offer less flexibility, especially in the sub 30%.

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leto_cleon
08.10.2014 , 10:46 PM | #19
I was actually doing up a spreadsheet that took a closer look at your dummy parses. (Similar to what I did for MKnightrider's Balance Shadow parse http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=747288).

There probably is a bit more work to be done, but here's what I've done up so far:

1m Dummy Parse starting w/ Valorous Call/Frenzy for Zen/Berserk at the start (http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...8&postcount=61) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pW5LLQ/pubhtml

1.5m Dummy Parse starting w/ 30 stacks of pre-stacked Centering/Fury and Valorous Call/Frenzy for Inspiration/Bloodthirst at the start (http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...stcount=1686): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...GAJVNU/pubhtml

N.B. Unfortunately, I was working using the Focus Sentinel terminology.

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Benirons
08.10.2014 , 11:09 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by leto_cleon View Post
I was actually doing up a spreadsheet that took a closer look at your dummy parses. (Similar to what I did for MKnightrider's Balance Shadow parse http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=747288).

There probably is a bit more work to be done, but here's what I've done up so far:

1m Dummy Parse starting w/ 0 stacks of Centering/Fury (http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...8&postcount=61) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pW5LLQ/pubhtml

1.5m Dummy Parse starting w/ 30 stacks of Centering/Fury (http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...stcount=1686): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...GAJVNU/pubhtml

N.B. Unfortunately, I was working using the Focus Sentinel terminology.
Both parses were started with 30 stacks of fury/centering so there is no confusion XD.

This is a pretty cool layout of what Im actually doing! Very helpful, so easy to see what is going on.

One thing about Momentum (I take it its the buff after force sweep) u should include bladestorm into that window if its the 4th gcd, and a melee attack if its right after master strike (be it dispatch, slash or twin throw). Asumming MS is clipped properly then those attacks will get buffed.

Dam weaponmaster buff uptime tracked too! Very good analysis here, I will go ahead and include this in the guide soon as I can (giving u credit naturally :P). Just one thing: any chance u could make the converion to imperial terms too? Sooner or later ill copy paste this over to the sentinel section and convert the terminology into republic terms.

Edit: any chance you could create a legend for the colour codes? I have a couple ideas, but would be best if u clarified crystal clearly XD.