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Change to Cartel Color Crystals and Weapon Tunings with Legacy Weapons

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Change to Cartel Color Crystals and Weapon Tunings with Legacy Weapons
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Verain
07.11.2017 , 12:59 PM | #201
This would probably be fine if crystals you reclaim that are not unlocked on your account were "bound" and crystals you reclaim that ARE unlocked on your account are "bound to legacy". Then you would be motivated to do the unlock, and not griefed for using cartel products.
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07.11.2017 , 01:01 PM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Medullah View Post
A few people have said that. I've seen in threads where they said it wasn't something they were going to ban people for, but do you have any links to where they said it was working as intended?
Go read this thread. It's linked TWICE in this thread and points back to the conversation that Eric Musco himself confirmed it was NOT and EXPLOIT. Plain and simple.
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NuSeC
07.11.2017 , 01:01 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Use Collections as it is intended, and no alt across your account (not just legacy) is penalized by this change.
Wrong.

I have all mine unlocked in collections... still have to pull crystals and tunings out before sending... regardless of them being completely unlocked.

I just paid to get some additional crystals and tunings unlocked in collections a couple weeks ago (lightning tuning and white crystal) and now, they are useless in legacy weapons.
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Estelindis
07.11.2017 , 01:02 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by Medullah View Post
A few people have said that. I've seen in threads where they said it wasn't something they were going to ban people for, but do you have any links to where they said it was working as intended?
Sure, here's the link: http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=381 And here is a quote of the dev post:
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Correct, using a Legacy Weapon to move a Color Crystal which you pulled down from your Collections UI is not an exploit. This is the case because there is no way to manipulate the system to allow for a large amount of credit gain as there was prior to 2.1.0b.
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07.11.2017 , 01:03 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by MotherCrusher View Post
anyone saying its a "loophole" or exploit
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=381
what are you saying now? i call this blatant cash grab.
I call it a loophole in the Collections system, which is exactly what it is. That quote is all about "Will I have punitive action taken against my account if I do this?" and BW's answer being "No, since you can't use it to make infinite credits."
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NuSeC
07.11.2017 , 01:08 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post

Now.. if Tunings were not collectable now in Collections... this would be not a small hoop.. but a rather large hoop to jump through. Happily, for a lot of reasons, Tunings from the CM are now in Collections.
And you have to pay credits every time if you want to share that weapon by paying the cost to remove it... send it and then pull another one out of collections to use on a different toon.

It is ridicules... especially if you have spent real world money on cartel coins to unlock those items.
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SDSupraTT
07.11.2017 , 01:11 PM | #207
Dear Developers,

The recent change to legacy weapons with regards to cartel crystals and tuning is unacceptable. The change has left me annoyed and angry. For both of these item types money has already been given to you in the form of pack buying. The idea of legacy weapons is to allow the transfer of weapons between multiple characters that can use the same type of weapon quickly with other legacy gear. The change now requires someone to first remove the crystal and tunings at a cost prior to legacy transferring it, even if someone has unlocked the tuning on both characters or from the cartel market on account. It would be better to just destroy them without first removing them, but that appears to be impossible.

I have had a great deal of satisfaction being able to use my ranked weapons with tunings and crystals and being able to transfer them between my 5 mercs and 4 powertechs. As a result of the change, I will probably skip the purchase of weapon tunings and crystals as the inconvenience that it generates and remove them from my weapons.

Sincerely,
Unhappy Customer

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NuSeC
07.11.2017 , 01:12 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
Edit: BioWare, can you refund my account wide unlocks for crystals with this change? Fair is fair after all.

My thoughts exactly, I did not pay to unlock those items so they would become worthless.

I want my collections unlock amount refunded.
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Sumlina
07.11.2017 , 01:25 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
IF, as you claimed, you unlocked the crystals you like in Collections, then the only impact is if you insist on pulling a crystal before transferring the weapon. In point of fact, the smart way to address this is to have some low level crafted crystals in cargo that you simply plop one in to over-write the cartel crystal (which essentially costs you little or nothing to do) and that avoids pulling costs completely. Since your crystals are unlocked in Collections, you simply pull a new copy and plop it in on the receiving end.

IF, you find the need to overwrite or remove crystals for moving Legacy weapons around too big a burden, then go with a non CM crystal of your choosing for legacy weapons. Unlocked crystals are still viable for everything else in the way of weapons and off-hands on your account. If you only use Legacy weapons and constantly move weapons around and refuse to take steps to streamline the process, that is your choice.

There ARE ways for us as players to mitigate the impacts of this change that make it fairly trivial to deal with unless you simply refuse to adapt to the change.

Note: I'm not defending how they chose to close the loophole, simply presenting reasoned response as to how to adapt to a change that is live now, and unlikely to be clawed back by the studio.

In my view, based on past history with the studio.. if players keep raging about this change, the studio may just decide to nerf Legacy weapons and be done with it. They have a history of doing nuclear nerfs to things that players refuse to accept and adapt to. So be careful what you wish for. I suggest a more reasoned approach by players and adapt to the change while making objective suggestions in the suggestion forum as to a better approach, which they may listen to and adopt at a later date.
I have spent around 100$ on cc account unlocking crystals and tunings. I have 83 toons on multiple servers nearly all of which are level 70. Account unlocking made sense so I could use rare things like my white crystals on all toons or my white and black ones on all my tanks or my black and red striated etc. It is a huge quality of life issue that now I have to rip things out or overwrite them to keep using them. I'll no longer be using tunings or cartel crystals as long as this is the case. All I do is raid. I don't have time to farm for credits to keep paying the bill for gear repair which is significant at 248 and upgrades(which removing high level mods to place in legacy gear is also significant) and now tunings or cartel crystals. No thanks. And I'm upset that now my money on those cc was completely wasted. It's not about refusing to adapt is about if we should have to. They're making it harder for people to play with alts and harder for raiders doing high level content that need the high level gear on multiple toons.

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Transcendent
07.11.2017 , 01:30 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
At least people aren't taking about the nerfs
The cynical sod in me thinks they tried to slip this one in under the radar of the nerfs, hoping players wouldn't notice.

*removes tin foil hat and carries on crafting crystals for legacy weapons* (alternatively use the Eternal Championship vendor for crystals / Rakghoul Event vendor for crystals etc)

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