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[Rep] RALLYING CRY! Sub-Par DPS in 2.8!

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[Rep] RALLYING CRY! Sub-Par DPS in 2.8!

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Andrew_Past
05.02.2014 , 12:17 PM | #11
Make sure you post on the PTS as well. The devs read and respond more to PTS posts atm.
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Kain_Turinbar
05.02.2014 , 12:30 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Manweth View Post
WEll folks, it was a good two months. We had fun while it lasted, being viable.

Andrew, I'm not even sure if this is worth it.

Other class players will never let us be viable. The amount of QQ these last two months were off the charts, the entire SWTOR userbase -except for GRDs- called for nerfs to Guardians...

Simply put, the devs are telling us to reroll or get the f... out of the game.

I might give a second try to Secret World, I heard it was cleaned up nicely after F2P.
Yes, the ************ and moaning has been unreal.

Honestly I think they were just so used to us being easy targets or ignorable that they just couldn't take it when suddenly things were evened up.

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GrandLordMenace
05.02.2014 , 01:52 PM | #13
This is insanity. The damage inflation in the game is starting to become overkill. First it was concealment operatives, now classes with an abundance of midrange abilities are going to be parsing higher than classes locked down into a melee channel.

As far as damage increases, I would just do this: symmetricalize the rotation. Adjust the plasma brand CD to 9 seconds, condense the dot so that it does the same damage just faster. This will net more master strikes and more plasma brands in the same timeframe as well as allow blade storm to be used fully on CD with 2 stacks of force rush. It has literally NO PVP implications yet increases PVE DPS in a reasonable way for a melee turret class.

We fought and won the battle against rng. It's time to come back out of the woodworks and fight the class balance battle again.
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Manweth
05.02.2014 , 02:00 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandLordMenace View Post
This is insanity. The damage inflation in the game is starting to become overkill. First it was concealment operatives, now classes with an abundance of midrange abilities are going to be parsing higher than classes locked down into a melee channel.

As far as damage increases, I would just do this: symmetricalize the rotation. Adjust the plasma brand CD to 9 seconds, condense the dot so that it does the same damage just faster. This will net more master strikes and more plasma brands in the same timeframe as well as allow blade storm to be used fully on CD with 2 stacks of force rush. It has literally NO PVP implications yet increases PVE DPS in a reasonable way for a melee turret class.

We fought and won the battle against rng. It's time to come back out of the woodworks and fight the class balance battle again.
I'm tired of fighting....

It's just not worth it.
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GrandLordMenace
05.02.2014 , 02:07 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Manweth View Post
I'm tired of fighting....

It's just not worth it.
Imho I had a 2 month war hiatus. Ts over now and I'm back :P
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GrandLordMenace
05.02.2014 , 02:15 PM | #16
We can also add another DOT to the tree, maybe a 20 second dot on dispatch or a 3 stack dot from master strike, each tick granting a stack.
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uriaces
05.02.2014 , 03:01 PM | #17
Just one thing about those big parses. They are full NIM mod + soph ( duplicating many characters on the pts etc... ). I did the same and im full mod and full power surge 81. I Did 3950 on the pts, same as the assassin.

I think that with a lot of luck i can do 4k so, lets see.
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GrandLordMenace
05.02.2014 , 03:05 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by uriaces View Post
Just one thing about those big parses. They are full NIM mod + soph ( duplicating many characters on the pts etc... ). I did the same and im full mod and full power surge 81. I Did 3950 on the pts, same as the assassin.

I think that with a lot of luck i can do 4k so, lets see.
Welcome back :P

Keep posting parses. If this is really the case we won't need a buff or at least not a big one. A small dot damage nudge would even the gap well enough.
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uriaces
05.02.2014 , 03:07 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandLordMenace View Post
Welcome back :P

Keep posting parses. If this is really the case we won't need a buff.
Here is the parse: http://www.torparse.com/a/662892/tim...144/0/Overview

I think that i have the same gear as the assassin on the pts. We will be under senti and powertech but not a lot i think.

I have less crit on every atack on this try than my previews record.
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GrandLordMenace
05.02.2014 , 03:16 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by uriaces View Post
Here is the parse: http://www.torparse.com/a/662892/tim...144/0/Overview

I think that i have the same gear as the assassin on the pts. We will be under senti and powertech but not a lot i think.

I have less crit on every atack on this try than my previews record.
Your crit rates are fairly outlier ish, so I still think a buff of some sort is in order tbh
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