At the end of Chapter 9 we see the following conversation between Darth Marr and Master Satele Shan:

Satele: " They have come so far. "

Marr: " Indeed, they have. "

Satele: " They still have far to go, but at this rate they could one day pose a challenge to the Eternal Empire. "

and then Marr says: "Perhaps. A pity so many of them will have to die.... "

so who do you think will die during the KOTFE Story and why?

well it won't be Lana, Theron or Koth -- they are LIs for the new folks with insta 60's ( can't see BW short changing their romances; they could, but a lot of us would be in anguish if they did, me included) ---

it won't be T7, Scorpio ( main character driving the story too), Dr. Lokin (better not be; a lot of us worked way too hard and spent a lot of money to get him) -- Bowdaar (NO not after the work it'll take to get him -- just NO )

not Treek or the original HK-51 ---- as far as I can see, any toon with a major part will stay ... but that's my opinion ...

that leaves Senya -- she has evil children, yes -- but she's a mother too -- it's hard to kill your own flesh and blood --

I could see her getting killed buy one of them -- very sad, I really like her, but theoretically, yes, I could see it

I could see our base getting hit -- hard -- after we're betrayed .... just a theory, head canon -- it's gotta happen sometime -- and that's where we lose a lot of our people

I agree that unfortunately Senya is most likely, in fact that entire family is in danger of that. I also agree with LI (especially KOTFE) probably safe or at most choice based.

Now I do not agree with non-LI main companions being safe. In fact they are almost as likely to die as Senya. Alert based companions are probably safe since they might not been recruited during story.

Now NPC wise options are unlimited, anyone could die.

I agree that unfortunately Senya is most likely, in fact that entire family is in danger of that. I also agree with LI (especially KOTFE) probably safe or at most choice based.

 

Now I do not agree with non-LI main companions being safe. In fact they are almost as likely to die as Senya. Alert based companions are probably safe since they might not been recruited during story.

 

Now NPC wise options are unlimited, anyone could die.

Alert based companions though could die in the recruitment proicess, we've already seen that with Xalek.

At a guess?

Senya, because she may as well be just called Obi Wan, either Lana or Theron and you have to chose.

Koth I could see defecting back to the Empire if Vishy gets the throne back.

Satele will likely die as well.

I agree that unfortunately Senya is most likely, in fact that entire family is in danger of that. I also agree with LI (especially KOTFE) probably safe or at most choice based.

 

Now I do not agree with non-LI main companions being safe. In fact they are almost as likely to die as Senya. Alert based companions are probably safe since they might not been recruited during story.

 

Now NPC wise options are unlimited, anyone could die.

And die multiple times too, they tend to respawn

Likely Senya, Koth and the random crew members of the Gravestone, plus the scions.

I can see Koth betraying me at somepoint and me having a choice to kill him for his betrayal.

Senya will probably die at the hands of one of her children (possibly vaylin, who then breaks for killing her own parent).

Depends on the circumstance. early on there was a choice with Lana, Valkorion says that she will die if valkorion does not get control of the outlanders body at that moment to save her. although if you fail to allow him control she will get cut on the arm with a pole saber from a knight, she doesnt die at that moment, however i have always had lingering doubts when she will die when injured, otherwise if you let valkorion do his thing she wont be injured. so it could be entirely possible that the action you did with lana will result in her death later in the expac due to the injury.

i am also assuming that actions you have taken through the expac to date will also determine if koth and or senya remain alive because if you always pick koth over senya, senya will trust you less and if you pick senya over koth he will voice how displeased he is, both cases it could result in mistrust at a vital moment that could get them killed or if you balanced it, you keep them alive. also its possible it could end up like me1 with ashley and kaiden on virmire.

all the other companions could end with a retcon of me2 ending:

but in this case on swtor: reach a minimum of say level 25 on all companions so they trust you enough to survive the main fights and there will not be a problem, for the alliance "grunts" you complete the alliance officer rank to 15 on all of them and the losses taken would be dramatically reduced from level 14 and below, obviously at level 0 they all die and the alliance isnt worth a damn. anything over level 15 wont make any difference other than for achivement purposes.

And die multiple times too, they tend to respawn

And will become a jetpack

Anyhow, I have a bad feeling about everyone's favorite sith lord, Koth (by betrayal) and Senya (kill by her own family).

Likely Senya, Koth and the random crew members of the Gravestone, plus the scions.

 

I can see Koth betraying me at somepoint and me having a choice to kill him for his betrayal.

 

Senya will probably die at the hands of one of her children (possibly vaylin, who then breaks for killing her own parent).

I think Vaylin is just rotten inside she won't mentaly break from killing her mother. But I can see either Senya getting killed by Vaylin or Acrann, or maybe Senya betraying me in an important moment when she had the chance to kill one of them but just couldn't because *** who kills their own children even if they are as mad as Senyas are She already had the chance to kill Vaylin and didn't do it, so why trust her?

Are we talking people who will die no matter what, or we have the choice of killing. In which case I hope Quinn, Skadge, and Ashara.

But beyond old companions, I'd say every enemy eternal empire character, Senya, Satele, Acina?

Marr's statement was probably just a blanket term referring to the entire alliance. Not the characters you interact with, but the scores of nameless grunts and workers.

Those I think will die no matter what I do: Arcann, Senya, Vaylin

Those I will kill if given the choice on some toons: Skadge, Koth

Those who I want to die but don't think will: Saresh, Acina

I could see maybe a ME1 type choice with Lana/Theron or Lana/Koth in future chapters, that'd be fun

Those I think will die no matter what I do: Arcann, Senya, Vaylin

 

Those I will kill if given the choice on some toons: Skadge, Koth

 

Those who I want to die but don't think will: Saresh, Acina

 

I could see maybe a ME1 type choice with Lana/Theron or Lana/Koth in future chapters, that'd be fun

Please not Theron!! :eek: My Smuggler broke Corso's heart because of Theron

well it won't be Lana, Theron or Koth -- they are LIs for the new folks with insta 60's ( can't see BW short changing their romances; they could, but a lot of us would be in anguish if they did, me included) ---

it won't be T7, Scorpio ( main character driving the story too), Dr. Lokin (better not be; a lot of us worked way too hard and spent a lot of money to get him) -- Bowdaar (NO not after the work it'll take to get him -- just NO )

not Treek or the original HK-51 ---- as far as I can see, any toon with a major part will stay ... but that's my opinion ...

that leaves Senya -- she has evil children, yes -- but she's a mother too -- it's hard to kill your own flesh and blood --

I could see her getting killed buy one of them -- very sad, I really like her, but theoretically, yes, I could see it

 

I could see our base getting hit -- hard -- after we're betrayed .... just a theory, head canon -- it's gotta happen sometime -- and that's where we lose a lot of our people

Koth, and I assume the other two can get pissed at you in the final chapter 9 convo. They better be able to die after that. Lokin can infect and drug the player, again better be able to get killed. If all these people can walk over us, what are we except useless.

Those I think will die no matter what I do: Arcann, Senya, Vaylin

 

Those I will kill if given the choice on some toons: Skadge, Koth

 

Those who I want to die but don't think will: Saresh, Acina

 

I could see maybe a ME1 type choice with Lana/Theron or Lana/Koth in future chapters, that'd be fun

If they pull out another Virmire, I'm sure as hell I would never have the slightest esitation leaving Koth behind. Just like I always left behind Kaiden for rescuing Ashley instead, even on the female Shepard(s).

If they don't pull out another Virmire, it depends on what other characters will appear later in the story. I hope one of them is Saresh; she is still responsible for genocide and mass murder after sending her own troops on Ziost because she's a ****, afterall.

I kinda hope it's another Virmire though. That was one of the many points of no return in ME1, and it was done quite well at the time. I still remember how I lost my sleep that night during my very first playthrough around 10 years or so ago. Though I still think it was possible for the Normandy to move from one point of the compound to the other and save both. It doesn't make any sense as to why "there wasn't enough time", a prototype ship which could race a rogue Spectre all the way up to Ilos in a matter of mere hours could have also moved just a couple of hundreds meters away from Ashley/Kaiden's position in order to go and pick up also the other one. Kinda stupid and pointless. But the plot demanded it, which is sad, but understandable.

I almost wonder if we're going to have to choose between Koth and Kaliyo in Anarchy in Paradise.

If we do -- I'm taking Koth .... on all 4 or my toons

and we must NOT lose Lokin ! --- he is my Agent's best buddy ! (heals better than Scorpio in my opinion, so he stays )

Saresh; she is still responsible for genocide and mass murder after sending her own troops on Ziost because she's a ****, afterall.

ordering the invasion of Ziost was stupid but it wasn't genocide.

Saresh is a bad leader -- just bad -- reminds me of the rebel leader in Hunger Games ....

( and remember the note we got from our military specialist ? --- I rest my case ... ) --- she NEEDS to go

Saresh is a bad leader -- just bad -- reminds me of the rebel leader in Hunger Games ....

( and remember the note we got from our military specialist ? --- I rest my case ... ) --- she NEEDS to go

Well, in the french version of Swtor, Saresh is voiced by the same person who was later chosen to voice Alma Coin in Mockingjay. The first time I saw Mockingjay part 1 I was annoyed because her voice seemed familiar but I couldn't place it then I went through Ziost with one of my alt I was like: Oh my ... Now her voice put a whole meaning to her character

Back to the topic, I think that they either will pull another Virmire where we will have to choose between two or maybe three characters with the hightest influence (including your love interest) to save only one or they pull something forcing us to choose between our love interest and the fate of the galaxy.

ordering the invasion of Ziost was stupid but it wasn't genocide.

She had 2 SIS agents planet side (Technically Theron and his own Jedi Boy Scouts weren't there but he counts for the last dialogues), and she was being kept informed at all times about how bad the situation was and that a hungry and rampant and mad Sith Emperor was going around killing everybody to eat their souls and become stronger and stronger and stronger.

Yet, she took probably one of the worst decisions in the TOR-era of the SW universe by sending thousands of soldiers to Ziost in order to invade the planet and they all died few hours later. All thanks to her. She could have saved thousands of lifes by simply not being stupid.

This counts as a genocide/mass murder in my book. She obviously didn't physically kill each of her own soldiers, but she sent to their deaths for her own greed. It's like Hitler. He ordered his soldiers to slaughter millions of people in his name. He was still held and considered responsible for all those deaths even if he never pulled the trigger on any of those 6 millions of jews or all the other POWs or enemy soldiers because he was the one who gave the order. Of course in this case others followed orders so there are others to condemn, but if we go back to the game and Saresh, she willingly sent all those troops on Ziost knowing they were being sent to their deaths.

Translated in poor words, she basically gifted Vitiate with thousands of people for free. And she knew exactly what was going to happen.

She had 2 SIS agents planet side (Technically Theron and his own Jedi Boy Scouts weren't there but he counts for the last dialogues), and she was being kept informed at all times about how bad the situation was and that a hungry and rampant and mad Sith Emperor was going around killing everybody to eat their souls and become stronger and stronger and stronger.

 

Yet, she took probably one of the worst decisions in the TOR-era of the SW universe by sending thousands of soldiers to Ziost in order to invade the planet and they all died few hours later. All thanks to her. She could have saved thousands of lifes by simply not being stupid.

 

This counts as a genocide/mass murder in my book. She obviously didn't physically kill each of her own soldiers, but she sent to their deaths for her own greed. It's like Hitler. He ordered his soldiers to slaughter millions of people in his name. He was still held and considered responsible for all those deaths even if he never pulled the trigger on any of those 6 millions of jews or all the other POWs or enemy soldiers because he was the one who gave the order. Of course in this case others followed orders so there are others to condemn, but if we go back to the game and Saresh, she willingly sent all those troops on Ziost knowing they were being sent to their deaths.

 

Translated in poor words, she basically gifted Vitiate with thousands of people for free. And she knew exactly what was going to happen.

With Theron, I understand not listening as hIs entire operation there was made without anyone permission.

But with Korvach? She basically just goes ''LALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" sO, YEAH. When we get the chance. Saresh GONNA DIE!

"Back to the topic, I think that they either will pull another Virmire where we will have to choose between two or maybe three characters with the hightest influence (including your love interest) to save only one or they pull something forcing us to choose between our love interest and the fate of the galaxy. "

Oh don't make me do that --- !!

I'll have to go and be a good Jedi and save the galaxy --- dang it !! And NOT after I've gone to the trouble of getting T7 past 30 ( and trying to find the time to get him to 50-- my highest companion ) --- just so wrong ... unless it's at the end of the game and (just like with the last episode of a TV show ) -- there are no rules --- anything goes -- and THEN I can see it