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SWTOR Deserves A Revival: More Funding, Resources and Manpower

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SWTOR Deserves A Revival: More Funding, Resources and Manpower
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Noerra
02.15.2019 , 07:57 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Kryptonomic View Post
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But yeah, you basically are saying same thing i was trying to say but with better details Just want to add that while it is indeed not like game studios usually work, Arenanet does it and it has been working very well for them and players. CMs there are excellent at their jobs but still people from all parts of dev team pop in regulary to talk with players, answer questions or ask more information. I have especially found memory of about year ago someone making a thread to thank about something he had really had fun with and someone with Anet tag came to reply just with lot of heart images, checked who it was and it was game director . I just love that company so much. But they indeed are very rare breed.

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Kampflerk
02.15.2019 , 08:05 AM | #212
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But how should they do that? The Problem here is, Bioware given away any opportunity :s Its nice to need only a One Time Sub. for 30 Days and you get EVERYTHING for Free I have no Problem if Bioware would make a Step back so you need again a Sub. to Playing the Game. But you cant do this with this old and broken Design idea BW made in SWTOR. To have Subs. you need something that you can give to them - and this is in all Areas = Content and this overall for Highlevel Yea there a still Players they haven't make Shadow of Revan, Markeb, Kotfe, Kotet etc.

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Kampflerk
02.15.2019 , 08:06 AM | #213
I had no Problem to pay every Month 9 or 12 to play SWTOR (like WoW over YEARS now). But after all, they need Content to hold Players and get New Players. And i say it again (as i said it now in every Post and Suggestions) They need MMO Content. Gearing must metter again. You need a "Carrot before you Nose". Something you can work for, not only Achivements or boring Stuff :s Transmogg Gear (Adaptiv Armor) Farming in old FPs and Raids(OPs), Speeders and Mounts you can farm in FPs and Raids. And this also on Highlevel. Im Level 70 and im bored af. I made the Ossus Story, i get my Start Gear with 230+ and I dont need to make anything now. You can make everything in the Game Solo with you Overpowerd Companion There is no need to make OPs like Raids in WoW to get stronger. There is no need to say: "I need to Gear myself further to oneshot everything to become a Boss". From my point of view the Game must become again to an true MMO with the Story telling it already has. I dont want an exact Clone from World of Warcraft but many things like Content, Daylis, Mounts etc they need to Copy them.

They need to say which Identity SWTOR now has - 2011 it was an Story MMO. After that BW was making Story Content so it became a Singeplayer Game with weird Multiplayer Elements. And all of this doesn't work right. The Game was Build as an MMO and nobody knows what it is or what it will be

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Kryptonomic
02.15.2019 , 08:59 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by Noerra View Post
Just want to add that while it is indeed not like game studios usually work, Arenanet does it and it has been working very well for them and players. CMs there are excellent at their jobs but still people from all parts of dev team pop in regulary to talk with players, answer questions or ask more information.
Indeed so. ArenaNet actually has the ability to allow members of the development team to participate because their community team uses a means of filtering information to developers that allow them to pinpoint where responses would likely be most helpful. (Behind the scenes it's called a "buzz community" process.) The delivery team can, of course, engage on social media with the player base as they want; this, of course, can have some setbacks in their communication policy, as was seen with the Jessica Price and Peter Fries firing.

But, yes, in general ArenaNet succeeds fairly well in this because of how their community team allows the delivery team (usually the designers and developers) to have a more focused experience with the user base. Their community team also liaises very closely with their customer support team and does very good social media monitoring. A good example of how in tune their community team handles this was seen early on with this article.

So the key thing to note is the very engagement you like by the wider team there is entirely due to how the community team is working behind the scenes to facilitate that engagement.

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limenutpen
02.15.2019 , 12:42 PM | #215
I think what ever this SWTOR and BW do, if they want to go top tier for an MMO, they need to fix the engine issue.

Personally I am ready to pay that 40 $ new expansion if they update the fricking engine.

With the Hero engine this game is like a Ferrari with a Fiat 500 engine in it.
With the current engine this game is still being hold back to where it was in 2012, especially to what is group content and in both PvE and PvP.
In 2016 they invested in a story nobody wanted, and gave us a dozen companions nobody cares about. Whatever 6.0 bring hope it is better to what we got with 4 and 5. There is some good signs, Ossus is a nice World, and this is how most Worlds should be at end game, open and fun to turn around. Since this game been around they may be only Illum was a fun patch as much as Ossus.
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Lhancelot
02.16.2019 , 12:31 PM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by limenutpen View Post
I think what ever this SWTOR and BW do, if they want to go top tier for an MMO, they need to fix the engine issue.
They have spelled out pretty clearly they will not/cannot upgrade the engine. With this in mind, they can still improve upon the gameplay and overall quality of the game, even with the present engine in place.

I'd suggest people keep this in mind and be reasonable with their suggestions when it comes to ideas on how to make the game better.

This petition isn't even for that though, it's purpose is to gain attention in hopes that more resources are put towards the development of this game.

Whether that means EA allots more to BW, or EA steps in and directs BW to use their resources in ways that would benefit this game, whatever creates this situation is what this petition is for.

What is crystal clear is SWTOR has reached a point of neglect now.

The amount of bugs bundled in with the latest dev work proves that they are working with far too little resources for the work that is being done. Either that, or resource/time management is so poor it is proving to be detrimental to the dev work that is being done on SWTOR. There's some serious flaws in their development process which most likely ought to be examined by upper management.

It's very possible BW has enough resources to do a better job. There's the possibility that they simply are mismanaging the resources they have. I think it's only fair to consider this as an actual reality too.
The Revival of SWTOR: Petition for More Funding and Resources
(Click link Below For More Information)

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=959696

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DavidAtkinson
02.18.2019 , 11:08 PM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
They have spelled out pretty clearly they will not/cannot upgrade the engine. With this in mind, they can still improve upon the gameplay and overall quality of the game, even with the present engine in place.

I'd suggest people keep this in mind and be reasonable with their suggestions when it comes to ideas on how to make the game better.

This petition isn't even for that though, it's purpose is to gain attention in hopes that more resources are put towards the development of this game.

Whether that means EA allots more to BW, or EA steps in and directs BW to use their resources in ways that would benefit this game, whatever creates this situation is what this petition is for.

What is crystal clear is SWTOR has reached a point of neglect now.

The amount of bugs bundled in with the latest dev work proves that they are working with far too little resources for the work that is being done. Either that, or resource/time management is so poor it is proving to be detrimental to the dev work that is being done on SWTOR. There's some serious flaws in their development process which most likely ought to be examined by upper management.

It's very possible BW has enough resources to do a better job. There's the possibility that they simply are mismanaging the resources they have. I think it's only fair to consider this as an actual reality too.
I really doubt they have enough resources allocated for this game and it's clear that the real experienced manpower is not working on this game anymore...

The other thing is that this game seems to be dead on the internet. No one talks about it, no one reviews it, you might not find it in any MMO chart, it totally feels like it doesn't exist.

Twitter Is the only place you can hear about it, but honestly I don't see this game marketed at all. It's like they don't care anymore and it's left to erode.

And the third thing that is very annoying: THE SILENCE

Man... nothing is happening on these forums regarding this game. No info about what will happen this year, we are again left with things like " we might say something in april".... which can mean anything.

The reality for me is very clear and has been very clear since 5.0 launched. 5.0 could have easily been the last proper expansion this game ever received. With everything that has happened since then I just cannot.... I am unable to see this game getting anything of that scale and 5.0 was smaller than the previous expansions we had.

Just how ?

Kickstarter funding might be the savior... and people would donate I believe, but that is out of the question too.

Yes, I am negative, skeptical but when there is absolutely no info about what they're planning...

5.10 is of no interest for me... that is so small that the "biggest " part is the gear grind.

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IoNonSoEVero
02.19.2019 , 03:55 AM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
It's very possible BW has enough resources to do a better job. There's the possibility that they simply are mismanaging the resources they have. I think it's only fair to consider this as an actual reality too.
When the devs are openly saying that they put a NiM Op into the game solely because one of the devs wanted it, and there's an entire gear grind focused around said Op, I think it's very fair to surmise that they are mismanaging the resources they have.

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Xistel
02.19.2019 , 05:12 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by DavidAtkinson View Post
The other thing is that this game seems to be dead on the internet. No one talks about it, no one reviews it, you might not find it in any MMO chart, it totally feels like it doesn't exist.

Twitter Is the only place you can hear about it, but honestly I don't see this game marketed at all. It's like they don't care anymore and it's left to erode.
This is what I don't get. Tthe SW franchise is growing everyday and more and more people are getting interested. Why not try to get fans to try out a FREE game and then work to convert them to paying members?

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Lhancelot
02.19.2019 , 08:08 AM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by DavidAtkinson View Post
I really doubt they have enough resources allocated for this game and it's clear that the real experienced manpower is not working on this game anymore...

The other thing is that this game seems to be dead on the internet. No one talks about it, no one reviews it, you might not find it in any MMO chart, it totally feels like it doesn't exist.

Twitter Is the only place you can hear about it, but honestly I don't see this game marketed at all. It's like they don't care anymore and it's left to erode.

And the third thing that is very annoying: THE SILENCE

Man... nothing is happening on these forums regarding this game. No info about what will happen this year, we are again left with things like " we might say something in april".... which can mean anything.

Yes, I use the word "neglect" when describing how this game has been treated for the last 2 years. Even when they came out with this 5.0 patch, it was so shoddily done you have to ask why even put it out in such a condition?

No development testing done, clearly 5.0 was pieced together then just dumped right into the game, bugs and all. Now, they have to spend their "limited resources" and manpower on fixing said bugs. How is this using resources wisely?

As you say, there's no marketing on the internet for this game, which is interesting seeing in the past few years Star Wars movies have been quite the popular entertainment.

To better explain parts of this process better than I could seeing I know nothing about it was Krypto's quote here describing what you mention above. He breaks down the very issues you speak of. The SILENCE as you say. He also explains how marketing works for the game.

I find his insight revealing and equally interesting. I hate gushing about his posts, but they really bring so much solace to my mind because I have always wanted to know the "why" behind what I consider an immense squandered opportunity regarding where this game could have gone.

He gives a detailed explanation of "behind the scenes" stuff only someone in that world would know. here's his quote on communication (or lack of) and marketing which all falls under the "community manager" or community manager's team's umbrella of responsibilities.



Quote: Originally Posted by Kryptonomic View Post
Agreed. To put this in further context -- and I do realize I can be coming off very negative here -- consider: BioWare has a five day schedule with your generally standard eight hour work day. That means 40 hours per week. I'm not being pedantic here but that context is interesting. Interesting because ... think about what a community manager's job is. Then think about what you see with this game. And ask yourself: what is truly being done over that 40 hour work week as part of the community management function?

As just one example, think of how little "Jedi Under Siege" was actually reviewed by outside venues. It barely made a blip anywhere. Running a data algorithm with some web sc****** on the aggregate of announcements shows a huge skew towards VULKK.com. In fact, it's the dominant skew. Next would be MMORPG.com. Then Fantha Tracks.

But then look at reviews of any expansion for, say, World of Warcraft. You see skews toward GameSpot, PC Gamer, GameInformer, Polygon, App Trigger, The Escapist, IGN, VenutreBeat, Ars Technica, Digital Trends, and so on.

I'm not trying to compare one game to another nor the content of one expansion to another. Those venues will review things that are popular, to be sure. But they will also review things if prodded and assuming they feel it's worth the time given the interests of their readers. So a point here is that a community manager (or community team, if such exists) will also make sure the word gets out to those venues: "Hey all, we have a cool new update to our game. Check out 'Jedi Under Siege' as we take the story back to its roots, introducing new characters, etc, etc."

So clearly there was not a lot of outreach to other venues. Or there was and they didn't care enough to actually do anything. (Which is the worse situation I'll leave up to personal opinion). That's one data point. There is clearly a mixed bag of outreach to the community of players. Another data point. That's two arenas of what is arguably great import that are being communicated with quite poorly.

We see that Eric still has to be "shamed" a bit into actually doing his job in a substantive way.

Consider this initial response by Eric and then consider his revised response. This is just one of many examples where prodding was necessary to get something useful.

So, in some cases, it's not "More Funding, Resources and Manpower"; sometimes it's just looking at how your resources and manpower are utilizing time and effort right now. This is another reason why people should probably realize this game, and its studio, isn't being micro-managed at all. If anything, there is a laxness to this studio that suggests they have little to no oversight whatsoever and very little impetus (whether in the form of encouragement or threat) to change.

Again, I know I can seem overly negative here but this is one area where I feel very strongly because I've seen so many situations where active (and anticipatory) community management could have made a difference in terms of potentially heading off a lot of ill-will and negativity about the direction of the game or decisions being made or feedback being (seemingly) ignored.
The Revival of SWTOR: Petition for More Funding and Resources
(Click link Below For More Information)

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=959696