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I don't really think Jedi are Samurai

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I don't really think Jedi are Samurai

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TGaP_Andrey
01.15.2019 , 05:40 AM | #1
I mean, where does that come from? If anything, historical and real samurai are, in fact, closer to Sith more, than to anything else in Star Wars. They were famous for their glorious habits like trying a new blade on some random peasant-pleb just for keks. They didn't care at all about "compassion", "greater good for the world" or whatever - the only "greater good" that was interesting to them was Glory of Japan or their Clan. They were strictly hierarchycal and snobish, often to the point of "stupidly evil". Yeah, they were also somewhat honorable, but since when were Jedi about "honor" or something in the first place? If any real Samurai saw how Kenobi and Yoda ran away into seclusion instead of standing their ground to the last breath, Samurai would kill them himself for cowardice and weakness - again very Sith thing, if you remember how daughter of Tremel was ready to chase her father to the edges of the Galaxy or any other example from the universe.

The closer thing to Jedi in our world is a christian monk, albeit even this is not really accurate, since this monks are defenseless and all about talking enemy to death, while Jedi at least can put up a fight.

The only "samurai" on which Jedi were allegedly based, can only be from folklore and fantasy-anime. It's like saying that Superman has something to do with real americans, ya know. :/

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ceryxp
01.15.2019 , 11:45 AM | #2
It comes from George Lucas themself who said they drew on Eastern philosophy and the samurai when designing the Jedi.
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TGaP_Andrey
01.15.2019 , 11:50 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
It comes from George Lucas themself who said they drew on Eastern philosophy and the samurai when designing the Jedi.
You mean the movie "Hidden Fortress" which hardly have anything to do with Samurai except for the name and superficial aesthetics?

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ceryxp
01.15.2019 , 12:43 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by TGaP_Andrey View Post
You mean the movie "Hidden Fortress" which hardly have anything to do with Samurai except for the name and superficial aesthetics?
No, I mean in the documentary about the making of Star Wars from the 1980's (I don't remember the exact year) George Lucas said they drew on Eastern philosophy and the samurai when designing the Jedi. And yes, Lucas was a well known fan of Akira Kurosawa's work and did draw a lot of inspiration from Hidden Fortress.
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Celise
01.16.2019 , 03:01 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by TGaP_Andrey View Post
I mean, where does that come from? If anything, historical and real samurai are, in fact, closer to Sith more, than to anything else in Star Wars. They were famous for their glorious habits like trying a new blade on some random peasant-pleb just for keks. They didn't care at all about "compassion", "greater good for the world" or whatever - the only "greater good" that was interesting to them was Glory of Japan or their Clan. They were strictly hierarchycal and snobish, often to the point of "stupidly evil". Yeah, they were also somewhat honorable, but since when were Jedi about "honor" or something in the first place? If any real Samurai saw how Kenobi and Yoda ran away into seclusion instead of standing their ground to the last breath, Samurai would kill them himself for cowardice and weakness - again very Sith thing, if you remember how daughter of Tremel was ready to chase her father to the edges of the Galaxy or any other example from the universe.

The closer thing to Jedi in our world is a christian monk, albeit even this is not really accurate, since this monks are defenseless and all about talking enemy to death, while Jedi at least can put up a fight.

The only "samurai" on which Jedi were allegedly based, can only be from folklore and fantasy-anime. It's like saying that Superman has something to do with real americans, ya know. :/
Samurai's are warriors who do their masters bidding, but they follow a strict warriors code of honor and if they should forsake that code, they kill themselves with their own weapon in an elaborate ritual called Seppuku, in much the same way they kill themselves with their blade if they are going to be captured in order to not betray their master and their honor. If a Samurai fails to carry out suicide, they and their family will be made outcasts and if caught? they will be killed.

Once a Samurai has lost his master due to circumstances beyond his control or his master releases him from his position? He becomes a Ronin, an unemployed warrior who seeks out work as a mercenary most typically.

It is neither Jedi or Sith, since both Jedi and Sith can be caught and can escape to return to service, the latter doesn't need a sense of honor and the former has a sense of honor, but even without it, it would be like exchanging uniforms and singing a different tune without being punished severely for it. So the Jedi and Sith might be based off the Japanese Edo period, but it is like 5% of it being truth and 95% is made up.

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VelvetSanity
01.16.2019 , 04:20 AM | #6
You have to remember that while samurai may have been one of the inspirations used, its only a small part. Jedi are a blend of concepts from a variety of sources. Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, fakirs/mystics....
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irrevelant
01.16.2019 , 08:03 AM | #7
Trained since early childhood, master of martial arts, and live to serve style. I think these are all samurai traits. The early christian monks were pacifists. Not even fighting back, because they end up in heaven anyway, and the years on earth are brief compared to the eternity of the afterlife. Jedi are willing to fight shoudl the situation come to that.
Later christians are more like about get money, and into politics ruling stuff, and become RICH. Jedi couldn't be more far from that. Even the Sith are closer. Jedi doesn't care materials, and has no interest in direct politics or wealth. They want the republic to remain in power, but that is all.

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AlrikFassbauer
01.19.2019 , 09:51 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
It comes from George Lucas themself who said they drew on Eastern philosophy and the samurai when designing the Jedi.
As I was showing in the Easter Eggs thread, there are LOTS of referenjces towards Indoian mythology which are very stroingly ignored by the community :

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...6&postcount=50

So, my belief now is this : The community WANTS to believe that Jedi are Samurai, and blocks everything else out.
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