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How are tanks doing in WZs post 5.9.3?

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How are tanks doing in WZs post 5.9.3?

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Severith
10.17.2018 , 01:12 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafiknoll View Post
You think I didn't think of screenshots? I did, and already figured your next step should I bother and post them here: you would say I altered some internal mods between the shots.

So to "prove" I am not cheating I actually need to send you 28 screenshots (each piece of gear in and out of a WZ), unless you would say I moved the alteration between 2 pieces between the shots...

So I guess I would have to upload a video of me inspecting myself, loading into the match and inspecting again, unless you would say I took advantage of the nearly idle loading screen to cut the video and connect it to another video in which I changed my gear before entering the match...

So I guess I gotta stream it live. Sadly my upload speed can't support that...

Point is, as soon as you have decided I am lying for the sake of lying and causing drama about skank (which I still think are inferior to tanks now, so why should I care?), there is no definite enough method of evidence you would accept. I said my piece and shared my personal experience. The only actionable thing about what I say is that BW might wish to have their bolster checked so it doesn't improve "too low stats" on tanks who simply chose to increase their DPS stats. There is no saltiness in my original post on that topic, and I am not salty about skanks in general because I usually crash them [For the info, the things I do dislike in this game are: premades, mercs, dsync, visual queues, castbar delays and the upcoming gearing changes]. I am not "inciting" anyone and have no motive to lie on purpose with no gain. The only forum drama caused by this is one random guy zealously calling me a liar, and I don't see any possible way it could create more drama or anger or whatever my sinister motive would be if I truly was lying for the sake of lying.

I suppose you are welcome to try and inspect me the next time I choose to play as a skank and see for yourself. Afraid it is not going to be soon because as I said, I prefer truly tanking
1) You make an assertion which is blatantly false, and dangerous to the integrity of the dialog of the thread.
2) You double and triple down on it, despite multiple people telling you that you are incorrect.
3) When asked to simply provide a couple of screenshots to prove your assertion, you go on a rant instead.

I think people can figure it out from here.

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Rafiknoll
10.17.2018 , 03:08 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Severith View Post
3) When asked to simply provide a couple of screenshots to prove your assertion, you go on a rant instead.
Dude, don't try to make me sound stupid by calling pure logic a "rant". Suppose I did post the 2 screenshots or 28 screenshots or even that video, would you accept what I originally said about the flaw in the bolster or would you echo the relevant parts from my last post? It's that simple.

As I said before you are fixated on being over annoyed about a forum conversation. The others who haven't experienced these numbers and said so at least had the objectiveness needed to just say so, and I believe they see what they see, and don't care too much if they believe me. You still have no clear motive for me to lie. I will repeat: I DON'T hate skanks anymore. Tanks are superior to them, so why should I care even if they are better than some of the weaker DPS classes?

I don't believe there is any benefit to in continuing this conversation as long as each of your posts include any form of slandering.

P.S: Just recalled you can't see shield and absorb when you inspect other players, so my invitation to inspect me in a match is also a null idea, I guess. Will have to think of something else if it is truly so critical to prove it unquestionably...

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xMaranathax
10.25.2018 , 02:51 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazz_Devlin View Post
<face Palm>
Sure why not lets have tanks out DPSing pure DPS builds I mean most PVP matches now a days are dominated by the hybrid classes as it is Merc, Sniper, Jug so why not ensure tanks get top DPS as well.

The trinity system is simple Tank | Heals| Dps
Tanks are suppose to absorb damage not do it! To do otherwise Breaks trinity!
Heals should heal dmg
DPS are your damage dealers high damage low survival I.e glass cannons

Hybrids break trinity they should never have been a damaging class they should have been a support class that did buff/debuffs. If you have to have a hybrid it's damage needs to be half that of pure DPS spec otherwise whats the point of playing glass cannon specs!
I am not saying to make tanks top DPS. Just give us more to hold better aggro in PvE and a chance to actually 1v1 someone. Sure, we can "hold out," but still have a hard time killing anything.

I strongly agree with the trinity. That's why I don't think DPS classes should be able to use a healing ability, unless you give it to all classes. Let my tank self heal for 15-20% per GCD.

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WayOfTheWarriorx
10.25.2018 , 05:14 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by xMaranathax View Post
I am not saying to make tanks top DPS. Just give us more to hold better aggro in PvE and a chance to actually 1v1 someone. Sure, we can "hold out," but still have a hard time killing anything.

I strongly agree with the trinity. That's why I don't think DPS classes should be able to use a healing ability, unless you give it to all classes. Let my tank self heal for 15-20% per GCD.
Spoilers are option, just more discriptive in point.

I tend to agree with my compatriot Kazz on this subject. I play a pure DPS class that has no heals, so I am a particularly trinity minded kind of player. I don't at all mind that I play the only class that doesn't have any heals [The Assassin heal is so low they might as well not have it] and so I feel they are very similar in certain ways to that ideal.

I don't personally feel that a tank should have low DPS like a healer, but I don't feel they should have DPS that is even nerely close to a DPS spec. It should be notiably less in my opinion.

I do understand why people skank tank. I do understand why people run it, and all things considered, it's hard to blame them for running it. Even still, I don't agree with the build from a trinity point of view.

If a tank can 1v1 a DPS, that in effect means, they are better at a 1v1 fight, than something that's entire design is to be good at fighting, whereas tanks are not designed for that purpose. They should have better survivability, and take them longer to kill, but the DPS should be low enough, that the DPS can counter that survivability by the greater damage output in the long run.

Roles should matter, they should mean something, and they should have their limitations.

Spoiler


The problem here really isn't about having enough DPS to hold agro in PVE and thus in PVP they should be held to the same standards. That's the problem with gearing both PVE and PVP with the same gear. It makes class balancing impossible to do in a fair manner that wont at times won't unnecessarily and unjustly effect a spec that's not over performing in PVE because of PVP or the other way around. With seperate gear, you can make sure tanks have enough DPS to hold agro in PVE and not allow them to do so much damage in PVP that allows them to over perform there as a tank spec with regard to damage output.

Skank tanks are unique. As a Marauder I can't put on any kind of gear that will allow me to heal or tank. A healer can't put on any kind of gear that will allow them to damage even remotely close to what a DPS could. A tank can't put on any kind of gear that will allow him to heal better. That's the point of contention I believe.

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Furthermore you see many instances wherein you can tell that someone is skanking and not even doing the job of a tank and are just doing it for the added survivabilty to go along with DPS output . Here are some examples to use a basis of these points -
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https://ibb.co/jutErV
https://ibb.co/njQikq
https://ibb.co/ntuyJA
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https://ibb.co/cPEb5q

As far as PVE is concerned, your point is valid and I agree with you. But, we must take into account how a spec/class performs in both PVE and PVP. You can't leave one at the expense of the other.

Your sentiments on healing amoung DPS, I couldn't possibly agree with more, except to say, that I don't think all DPS specs should have no healing, just more limited amounts with a ratio of dps to heal applied.

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I don't blame people for skank tanking in PVP at all, they'd be idiots if they didn't.. If I was a tank, I would skank tank myself. That doesn't mean it's balanced, and that doesn't mean it should be allowed to persist. Now skanks can also sheild criticals, just like normal tanks can. At the same time,pure tanking is still totally viable in PVP, if not ideal. I have mad amounts of respect for tanks that pure tank in PVP , MAD respect [ I'm looking at you Kendra! ]

If it's not a Trinity for all, it isn't a Trinity for anyone.