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Why did Mace Windu & Co. attack Palpatin


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Seriously, at that point, they didn't know he was the mastermind behind the separatist movement. His only "crime" was beeing a sith, or, in other words, having a different religion than jedi.

So, this assault on Palpatin was nothing else than religious presecution.

 

Sure, Jedi and Sith had their differences in the past, but is this a reason to kill or arrest this particular sith?

 

To their knowledge, Palpatin had done nothing wrong. Therefor, Jedi are just religious fundamentalist and order 66 was maybe harsh, but perfectly reasonable to save the republic from this extremists.

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Yeah, but Mace Windu didn't know it.

 

The Jedi all knew Darth Sidious was in charge, Dooku told them in Ep2.

 

They know are only two Sith at any given time.

 

They all knew Dooku was one of these Sith.

 

Anakin then told Mace that Palatine was a Sith, after he confessed to Anakin.

 

Therefore any idiot would have figured Darth Sidious = Palatine.

 

So yes he did know.

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They know are only two Sith at any given time.

 

How could they know it? Beeing a sith is nothing more than just beeing a fore user and beliving in the sith philosophie. So, any jedi could turn any time to a sith if he wants.

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How could they know it? Beeing a sith is nothing more than just beeing a fore user and beliving in the sith philosophie. So, any jedi could turn any time to a sith if he wants.

 

Actually no, from about 1000 years prior to the movies, and up to the movies, and during the movies, the Sith had a philosophy from Darth Bane that there can never be more than 2 Sith, a Master and an Apprentice. This is supported in the movies.

 

Therefore, since Dooku was dead, there would logically be only one Sith left, since they figured out Palpatine was a Sith, it meant he was the Master, that is, Darth Sidious.

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Actually no, from about 1000 years prior to the movies, and up to the movies, and during the movies, the Sith had a philosophy from Darth Bane that there can never be more than 2 Sith, a Master and an Apprentice. This is supported in the movies.

 

That works only if every sith follows this philosophy. If a jedi finds a old sith holocron, he can became a sith, completly independent of the the two sith who exists due to the rule of two.

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Every potential Sith who doesn't follow the Rule of Two would get murdered by the aforementioned Two.

 

Yes. And Count Dooku tried to murder Palpatin (at least the jedi thought so).

 

As i recall, they went to remove Palpatine from office, he was actually the one who attacked first

 

So, why would they remove him from his office? Because he has the wrong religion?

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How could they know it? Beeing a sith is nothing more than just beeing a fore user and beliving in the sith philosophie. So, any jedi could turn any time to a sith if he wants.

 

He wouldn't be a "Sith". At that time, being a Sith meant being one of the Two, no exeptions.

Ventress pretended to be "sith" for a moment, but luckily Dooku was there to correct her =)

 

So, why would they remove him from his office? Because he has the wrong religion?

Because he was the enemy of the Republic, maybe.

It's not just a religion.. Remeber what Yoda said about balance in the Force? The dark side is like ripples and waves on the water. Sith gone = peace and balance.

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He wouldn't be a "Sith". At that time, being a Sith meant being one of the Two, no exeptions.

Ventress pretended to be "sith" for a moment, but luckily Dooku was there to correct her =)

 

He wouldn't be a sith by the definition of the two. But he could perfectly be a sith by his own definition and therefor call himself sith. And who told Anikan that Palpatin was a sith? Palpatin himself.

 

So nothing wrong here.

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Because he was the enemy of the Republic, maybe.

It's not just a religion.. Remeber what Yoda said about balance in the Force? The dark side is like ripples and waves on the water. Sith gone = peace and balance.

 

So he was a enemy of republic not because of something he has done but because his religion is evil (or at least the leader of an other religion said so).

That's the very definition of religious persecution.

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So he was a enemy of republic not because of something he has done but because his religion is evil (or at least the leader of an other religion said so).

That's the very definition of religious persecution.

He controlled the separatists AND the Republic. That is enough to accuse him for treason. Minimum. Not to mention the fact that he poses great danger for Jedi, people, everyone.

 

But he could perfectly be a sith by his own definition and therefor call himself sith.

Yes, untill Dooku tracks him down and sends Grievous to either kill him or bring him back and "correct" him.

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He controlled the separatists AND the Republic. That is enough to accuse him for treason. Minimum.

 

Once again, Mace Window didnt know that Palpatin controlled the sparatists.

 

Yes, untill Dooku tracks him down and sends Grievous to either kill him or bring him back and "correct" him.

 

That ist exactly what seemed to happen when dooku kidnaps Palpatin.

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Once again, Mace Window didnt know that Palpatin controlled the sparatists.

They seem to have known the Sith controlled them, Dooku included. That makes him the top of the Two.

Either way, they couldn't have let him go even if didn't do anything. Sith are evil and dangerous, Mace Windu, being a Jedi, knows that.

 

That ist exactly what seemed to happen when dooku kidnaps Palpatin.

What?

Palpi kidnaps himself.

He plans everything out, tells Dooku and.. everything goes as planned. For the record - no one exept Dooku knew that Palpi = Sidious.

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Because he is the "wrong religion"? LOL

 

Okay, a lesson here...

 

Lucas has said himself that the Dark Side represents an imbalance in the force, and the Light Side is perfect balance and harmony.

 

To be Sith is to be on the Dark Side, to bring imbalance to the force. In addition, to be Sith also means you wish absolute control, power, and you are willing to kill anyone and everyone to get your way.

 

No, it isn't religious persecution, especially when Sidious had already brought the deaths of many innocent lives to bring himself more power.

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As well as the other reasons mentioned, Palpatine had refused to vacate the position and give up the emergency powers granted to him by the Senate. In other words, the reasons were numerous. Also, a self-proclaimed Sith Lord would be a renegade force-sensitive or a fallen/dark jedi.

 

This thread should probably be in the "General Star Wars Discussion" as it isn't slightly relevant to the game?

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a better question is, instead of trying to arrest Palpatin in his private office at night, why did Mace not confronted the dude in broad daylight or during a public senate meeting?

 

Doing this would expose Palpatin to the general public, saving the Jedi from order 66 going through and preventing the rise of an empire.

 

Way to think this one through master jedi

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i think that (and this is speculation) they didn't confront palpatine in public for fear of civilians, and they didn't do it at senate meeting because mace already didn't trust the senate and for fear that even after he was exposed, the beraucrats and palpatines allies would try to bog him down in procedures
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The Rule of Two was created by Darth Bane for all the reasons many of us know, he also used it to keep the Sith hidden from the Jedi. And from what I recall the Jedi did not know he was the one that created the rule and when he created the rule I believe the Jedi thought all the Sith were wiped out.

 

So how did they know about the Rule of Two in the movies? If they never found out then Mace wouldn't have known for sure that it was the same Sith. It is incontinent though because the Rule of Two is mentioned by Yoda at the end of Episode 1. Anyone have an answer?

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