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[Guide/Video] Min-Maxing DPS, Stat / Gear Check

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[Guide/Video] Min-Maxing DPS, Stat / Gear Check

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Kazz_Devlin
10.02.2015 , 06:05 PM | #241
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika View Post
(New) 1/26/2015: PvP Update
This update points the scope mainly at Ranked PvP
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Deception / Infiltration (Click for Video)
Gearing & Stats Priority
  • Accuracy is mandatory as this spec more than the others since it has more emphasis on melee attacks than the other specs without the tank accuracy benefits. You'll need at least 95% / 105% (Force) as this spec.
  • 23 - 25% Critical Strike Rating.
  • Absolutely no Alacrity
  • Must at least hit 75% Surge
  • Rest in Power
  • Power / Main Stat Relics
  • Resolve Augments (Makes it easier to hit the necessary crit without sacrificing enhancements / mods)
Refer to this thread for feedback on the spec.
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Hatred / Serenity (Click for Video)
Gearing & Stats Priority
  • Accuracy is important, but unlike Deception you can get away with some missed hits. Roughly 94 - 95% would be all that is needed.
  • 22 - 24% Critical Strike Rating.
  • 2-3% Alacrity
  • 68-70% Surge
  • Rest in Power
  • Power / Main Stat Relics
  • Resolve Augments (Makes it easier to hit the necessary crit without sacrificing enhancements / mods)
Refer to this thread for feedback on the spec.
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Darkness / Kinetic Combat (Click for Video)
Gearing & Stats Priority
  • Accuracy is not mandatory as this spec since it receives the accuracy tank bonus. It is not recommend to use any accuracy pieces for this spec.
  • Absolutely no Crit
  • Absolutely no Alacrity
  • Must at least hit 75% Surge
  • All in Power (Due to Auto-Crits and the high uptime on Shock, Darkness' burst potential benefits greatly from stacking as much Power / Surge as possible)
  • Power / Main Stat Relics
  • Requires A Shield instead of a Power Generator
  • Resolve Augments (Makes it easier to hit the necessary crit without sacrificing enhancements / mods) or Power Augments for the all-burst style
  • Note that in 3.1, Alacrity may become more important due to Discharge changes.
Refer to this thread for feedback on the spec.



2015 Update
Credit to Exilove for Deception / Infiltration and Aelanis for Hatred / Serenity updates

Disclaimer
The following information below is geared toward maximum PvE output.

Deception / Infiltration
Gearing & Stats Priority
  • Must Have Accuracy: As close to 759 accuracy rating as possible.
  • 0 Alacrity
  • 68-77% Surge
  • 180-220 Critical Rating (Got less attractive, not sure about the values)
  • All other secondary stats in Power
  • Must Have Augments: Willpower (Resolve)
  • Relics: Serendipitous Assault & Focused Retribution
  • Alternate Relic: Boundless Ages
  • Set bonus: 6 piece Stalkerís
  • Surging Charge

Gearing Overview
  • Reaching the Accuracy cap should be your highest priority
  • At this point in time Alacrity is not advised until you start hitting massive Surge Diminishing Returns (over 74%, which you wonít reach for a while with the accuracy requirement). It doesnít reduce the cooldown of your Force Cloak and therefore completely mucks up your Recklessness/Blackout synergy.
  • Crit rating isnít that amazing anymore, Iím unsure of the exact values that would be wishful. But Iíd personally stay around the ~180-220 crit rating right now.
  • Choice of relics should be made on a fight-to-fight basis. Serendipitous Assault and Focused Retribution will give you a greater overall damage increase, while Boundless Ages will allow you to focus your burst into a short window for fights with tight burn phases
  • Getting your set bonus as quickly as possible is highly recommended. It will increase your dps substantially enough that having lower item level armorings with the set bonus is still a better option than higher item level armorings without it.



Hatred / Serenity
Gearing & Stats Priority
  • Must Have Accuracy: As close to 759 accuracy rating as possible.
  • 1.5-3.1% Alacrity (111 to 240 Rating)
  • 64-69% Surge (222 to 360 Rating)
  • 150-250 Critical Rating (156 in Resurrected, 252 in Revanite)
  • All other secondary stats in Power
  • Must Have Augments: Willpower (Resolve)
  • Relics: Serendipitous Assault & Focused Retribution
  • Alternate Relic: Boundless Ages
  • Set bonus: 6 piece new Stalkerís
  • Lightning Charge

Gearing Overview
  • Reaching the Accuracy cap should be your highest priority
  • Due to nasty diminishing returns beyond the first 250 points of Surge, Alacrity is going to be very important in 3.0, especially since it makes your periodic effects tick through faster. The split will likely end up being a 3:2 Surge:Alacrity ratio through most of 3.X, though current Best in Slot looks like a 2:2 ratio for 192 and 198 gear levels.
  • Critical rating fell vastly in usefulness in 3.0. Thrash is down 20% of its old Surge boost, our periodic effects and Death Field, though we picked up 30% on Assassinate. A smaller portion of our overall damage now has a Surge boost, but that doesnít make the stat obsolete.
  • Choice of relics should be made on a fight-to-fight basis. Serendipitous Assault and Focused Retribution will give you a greater overall damage increase, while Boundless Ages will allow you to focus your burst into a short window for fights with tight burn phases
  • Getting your set bonus as quickly as possible is highly recommended. It will increase your DPS substantially enough that having lower item level armorings with the set bonus is still a better option than higher item level armorings without it.
  • Despite the old 4 piece giving a substantial boost to the critical chance of a move used quite often, it is not as valuable, even with the new 2 piece, as the full new set bonus. You can PM Aelanis on the forums for these calculations.

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Why Acc all you do is hurt your DPS output

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Evolixe
10.04.2015 , 11:09 AM | #242
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazz_Devlin View Post
Why Acc all you do is hurt your DPS output
Not exactly. It creates a more stable output at the cost of spike damage. It really depends on what you want.

I've said it before, I'm not an accuracy person for that reason. Doing max DPS isn't my strafing, doing max burst is.
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MasterFeign
11.11.2015 , 01:47 PM | #243
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
Not exactly. It creates a more stable output at the cost of spike damage. It really depends on what you want.

I've said it before, I'm not an accuracy person for that reason. Doing max DPS isn't my strafing, doing max burst is.
And to put it in perspective. The longer the fight, the more useful accuracy becomes. That's why you see people saying to use it for PvE, and not PvP.

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SixSixSvn
02.09.2016 , 03:13 PM | #244
Really need an update for PVE Kinetic for Jedi Shadow. My experience with 4.0 is it's all burst damage: acc -> 110%, alac -> 5% and the rest crit. Thoughts?

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Aelanis
02.09.2016 , 08:32 PM | #245
Quote: Originally Posted by SixSixSvn View Post
Really need an update for PVE Kinetic for Jedi Shadow. My experience with 4.0 is it's all burst damage: acc -> 110%, alac -> 5% and the rest crit. Thoughts?
So there are 2 consequences of using Kinetic Combat as a DPS spec in PvE.
  1. You're going to terrorize your tanks hardcore. That's a lot of amplified-threat damage.
  2. It's a lot of damage for a tank, but junk DPS for a DPS. Playing a tank as a DPS means you're not getting hit to regenerate resources, in addition to the fact that it's simply not designed to do a lot of damage.
Those aside, why would you gear for accuracy if you were going to do this? Simply being in Combat Technique grants 101% accuracy since 3.0, so it's not like it's even a new mechanic.
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Kazz_Devlin
08.17.2016 , 03:26 PM | #246
why is a hatred video tied to deception?

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Lexcentric
08.19.2016 , 07:35 AM | #247
[SIZE="5"][/SISooooo..... Now what?

Who are the "best" assassins? 1v1s? warzones? ranked? ZE]
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Lordshyamal
10.24.2016 , 01:57 PM | #248

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fragla
01.02.2017 , 12:24 AM | #249
Good post, love it that you put a video in there,
(Referral link if you wanna http://www.swtor.com/r/lywgXw )

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Evolixe
04.01.2017 , 06:43 AM | #250
I created a new thread for 5.0 with all the information you could formerly gather here. This thread is way outdated
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