DarthBuckets Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I grabbed the relics to do some testing myself. My results support that 2 of them are tech and 2 of them are Force. However, the only outlier is that the Cerulean Nova relic seems to crit about half as much as the other Force relic (I am a tech user). I ran two 6 minute tests and both were 3-4% crit intead of the 8% or so of the elemental one. Testing Conditions: Approximately a six minute test for each relic using Rapid Shots on an Operatings Training Dummy. Powertech with Combustible Gas Cylinder Spec: Burnout + Prototype Cylinders (+6% Tech Crit) Naked + Relic + Blaster Pistol with no modifications No Sorc Buff / No Agent Buff Ranged Crit = 8.38% Tech Crit = 15.55% Dread Guard Relic of Dark Radiance Internal Corrosive Injection 16.2% Crit ---- 68:11 Dread Guard Relic of Elemental Trascendence Elemental Burning Force 8.2% Crit -- 73:6 Dread Guard Relic of the Kinetic Tempest Kinetic Grav Wave 16.4% Crit -- 73:12 Dread Guard Relic of the Cerulean Nova Energy Lightning Spike 4.0% Crit -- 75:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatOut_nlF Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 They switched it out for me after putting a ticket in. Only problem is the old one was aug'd so I lost a purple 21 augment lol Can you please copy ticket`s text? My support refused to switch my relic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatOut_nlF Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Btw,i`m Marauder in carnage, got proc relic for internal damage, should i switch to elemental one? Btw my damage in energy type, i mean from lightsabers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozivicus Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 EDIT: I just read the tooltips... relic damage is not considered periodic damage. As for demolition, even if the 3% crit affected the elemental crit from the relic.. you'd double your crit swapping to the internal relic. Noted, thanks for the advice. I'll run some parses on the dummy. Great discussion, keep it up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted December 3, 2012 Author Share Posted December 3, 2012 Btw,i`m Marauder in carnage, got proc relic for internal damage, should i switch to elemental one? Btw my damage in energy type, i mean from lightsabers Several people have confirmed the findings now.. however I haven't seen any maruaders/sentinels confirm it. I would assume you should switch to the elemental one but I would definately parse it for yourself considering the paucity of data here from knights/warriors. I posted some askmrrobot sentinel parses that showed a low crit rate with the dread guard internal relic (http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog/6e252dc9-6bda-4919-92e6-fa34905f0054/player/5#d=0,b=1) and a relatively high crit rate with the campaign elemental one (http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog/eef14011-5c5c-4c8c-a7c0-7bc5555b45a3/player/8#d=0,b=1) but i'd confirm yourself since I dont know the stats on the players making those parses (though there are probably near/better than 1.4 bis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatOut_nlF Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Several people have confirmed the findings now.. however I haven't seen any maruaders/sentinels confirm it. I would assume you should switch to the elemental one but I would definately parse it for yourself considering the paucity of data here from knights/warriors. I posted some askmrrobot sentinel parses that showed a low crit rate with the dread guard internal relic (http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog/6e252dc9-6bda-4919-92e6-fa34905f0054/player/5#d=0,b=1) and a relatively high crit rate with the campaign elemental one (http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog/eef14011-5c5c-4c8c-a7c0-7bc5555b45a3/player/8#d=0,b=1) but i'd confirm yourself since I dont know the stats on the players making those parses (though there are probably near/better than 1.4 bis) And what about energy proc relic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted December 5, 2012 Author Share Posted December 5, 2012 And what about energy proc relic? Well energy (and kinetic) is mitigated by armor. The elemental (and internal) are not, and will hit harder even with full armor debuffing. Afaik,the elemental (or internal) are always better with the exception of merc's/troopers who use the armor penetration stance. But since I have no sent/mara to test with and neither understand your class mechanics nor have I bothered reading about classes i dont currently play, you should really test for yourself or consult your own forums on the issue. The fact that you do energy damage is irrelevant. I do internal and kinetic damage on my sage yet the elemental one is better. On my slinger, who does mostly energy (and internal for dirty fighting) damage the internal is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted December 5, 2012 Author Share Posted December 5, 2012 I have been denied a refund for my relic because too much time has passed. I have recreated a ticket and make a thread in the customer support: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5522878#post5522878 Please post there if you've been denied so we can get some attention to this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugamaniac Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I have submitted a ticket to support as well for a refund on my relic. Rock on, fellow Premonition guildmate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlosBC Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Well energy (and kinetic) is mitigated by armor. The elemental (and internal) are not, and will hit harder even with full armor debuffing. Afaik,the elemental (or internal) are always better with the exception of merc's/troopers who use the armor penetration stance. But since I have no sent/mara to test with and neither understand your class mechanics nor have I bothered reading about classes i dont currently play, you should really test for yourself or consult your own forums on the issue. The fact that you do energy damage is irrelevant. I do internal and kinetic damage on my sage yet the elemental one is better. On my slinger, who does mostly energy (and internal for dirty fighting) damage the internal is better. Focus guard/rage jugg also get armor pen in spec, and can use the energy proc. Carnage/combat gets 100% arm pen for a few seconds every 15 secs. Haven't done the math to see which relic is best for those specs tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infedele Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Marauder Annihilation http://www.torparse.com/a/70090 Lightning Strike 43.71 DPS 39.22% Crit Dread Guard Relic of the Cerulean Nova Corrosive Injection 43.20 DPS 27.77% Crit Dread Guard Relic of Dark Radiance http://www.torparse.com/a/70101 Burning Force 46.48 DPS 23.33% crit Dread Guard Relic of Elemental Transcendence http://www.torparse.com/a/70110 Grav Wave 36.40 DPS 15% crit Dread Guard Relic of the Kinetic Tempest Different crit no different damage.... test on dummy Edited December 10, 2012 by infedele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscount Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Bioware- Please Confirm / Deny this is a bug and get it on the list if so.Please Refund our 300 Daily Comm's so we can purchase the correct version. (Trade in works too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Denied a 2nd time. too long has passed. It's like they aren't reading my ticket. Will try a 3rd time. Related tickets:72154637048243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karasuko Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Denied a 2nd time. too long has passed. It's like they aren't reading my ticket. Will try a 3rd time. Related tickets: 7215463 7048243 Do what I did, suck it up and spend another 300 daily comms on a new relic. Looking forward to testing it soon . And yes I have now spent 900 daily comms on relics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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