sevenfaced Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I should probably add that my problem with your claim is that you are unwilling to provide any empirical evidence to back it up. So it is actually an opinion/theory that you are presenting as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) That's only one notch below playing highscores to plan a perfect rotation for X health. The final step being to spam it until its hot. That would require effort and I'm not keen on the fact that you appear to never have tried the rotation in this thread but are keen to repeat arguments you've heard someone else say. Go back to parsely, use the filter for commando, assault, 1500000. The top parse uses Assault Plastique on cooldown, Full Auto for one of the rotation resets and opens with dots, supercharge then MB/CB/MB cluster. I've never met that person but he's using the rotation of this thread, clearly not BiS though. If you make an effort to be proficient in the rotation in this thread instead of having me in two minds about how much you're here to troll then I might be more helpful. The only person who can convince you is yourself and you've come in with a hardened opinion already. Edited April 16, 2016 by Gyronamics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenfaced Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 ....He is not using your rotation as far as I can tell his dots are applied together while yours are applied in seperate rotations. I am pretty confident that the rotation he is using is credited to Nerevar. Also in 3.0 I did experiment with all of the rotations available to me which included yours and I netted the best results with the zorz rotation. I apologize if you believe I am coming across as a troll that is not my intention, but if you are going to claim that your rotation is equivilant to another dummy parsing and imply that it performs better in raid I would like to see evidence of that, I would prefer you use your own rotation as evidence as well and not claim someone else's as your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurulis Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) ....He is not using your rotation as far as I can tell his dots are applied together while yours are applied in seperate rotations. I am pretty confident that the rotation he is using is credited to Nerevar. Also in 3.0 I did experiment with all of the rotations available to me which included yours and I netted the best results with the zorz rotation. I apologize if you believe I am coming across as a troll that is not my intention, but if you are going to claim that your rotation is equivilant to another dummy parsing and imply that it performs better in raid I would like to see evidence of that, I would prefer you use your own rotation as evidence as well and not claim someone else's as your own. This parse I was using hotwired rotation. I dont use adrenals in parsing. Vadikos Mercenary/Innovative Ordinance 6817.47 dps http://parsely.io/parser/view/156355/0 Edited April 16, 2016 by Walpurulis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenfaced Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 This parse I was using hotwired rotation. I dont use adrenals in this parse either/ Vadikos Mercenary/Innovative Ordinance 6817.47 dps http://parsely.io/parser/view/156355/0 There we go thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) ....He is not using your rotation as far as I can tell his dots are applied together while yours are applied in seperate rotations. I am pretty confident that the rotation he is using is credited to Nerevar. Also in 3.0 I did experiment with all of the rotations available to me which included yours and I netted the best results with the zorz rotation. I apologize if you believe I am coming across as a troll that is not my intention, but if you are going to claim that your rotation is equivilant to another dummy parsing and imply that it performs better in raid I would like to see evidence of that, I would prefer you use your own rotation as evidence as well and not claim someone else's as your own. This is exactly the kind of thing which has alarm bells ringing for me because again it tell me you're not fully aware of the mechanics going on. While I don't care less about wanting credit I know full well and tell anyone who asks that when you do a parse with THIS rotation it does not change your dps to rearrange the non-mechanical abilities around the reset procs which are set in stone. Using Assault Plastique on cooldown and Full Auto as a reset are the defining features and no matter how you fiddle the rest, as long as correct priorities are kept, the parse damage is the same. Nevertheless one of your members is one of our members and he says you're alright so you'll find if you do that parsely search again I have listed a parse which I fat fingered into having one default attack where it shouldn't be. I still believe this is a waste of my time unless it was a badly phrased request for help in performing the rotation because without average parses the different TTK and different crit % on different abilities and ending at different points of the rotation all interfere with analysis. Not to mention not knowing the stats used. But that is even more tedious than farming for hot parses. As such, as I said before, you are the one who needs to be doing these parses and all you needed to do was show me how you were doing it so I could clarify if it was fine. Like dozens of people have done before and then were free to make their own mind up about pros and cons. Edited April 21, 2016 by Gyronamics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenfaced Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 This is exactly the kind of thing which has alarm bells ringing for me because again it tell me you're not fully aware of the mechanics going on. While I don't care less about wanting credit I know full well and tell anyone who asks that when you do a parse with THIS rotation it does not change your dps to rearrange the non-mechanical abilities around the reset procs which are set in stone. Using Assault Plastique on cooldown and Full Auto as a reset are the defining features and no matter how you fiddle the rest, as long as correct priorities are kept, the parse damage is the same. Nevertheless one of your members is one of our members and he says you're alright so you'll find if you do that parsely search again I have listed a parse which I fat fingered into having one default attack where it shouldn't be. I still believe this is a waste of my time unless it was a badly phrased request for help in performing the rotation because without average parses the different TTK and different crit % on different abilities and ending at different points of the rotation all interfere with analysis. Not to mention not knowing the stats used. But that is even more tedious than farming for hot parses. As such, as I said before, you are the one who needs to be doing these parses and all you needed to do was show me how you were doing it so I could clarify if it was fine. Like dozens of people have done before and then were free to make their own mind up about pros and cons. Can i ask you how much alacrity you are running? You have a much higher apm than I am used to seeing and i dont think your 3 uses of power surge account for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) 1110 alacrity and standard stim. There's a technical reason for that number (could also have been 869 or 650) and using Tech Override in rotation. Earlier this week it was 650, I change it for trivial reasons. Edited April 21, 2016 by Gyronamics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pivcelin Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Hello. After a few hours of dummy abuse I realised that I can't get my dps much higher than 5.5 - 5.7 on a mil or 1.5 mil dummy. Gear is 220 token, only OH is 216. 1350ish crit, 850ish ala, 111 accuracy with accuracy stim. Tried swapping for extra accuracy augment and using versatile stim, didn't help matters. I'd like to think that I'm using rotation and priority system somewhat accurate, albeit screwing up a bit in this parse. I noticed that I have a very low APM http://parsely.io/parser/view/201706 So, here's my cry for help ;-; Edited August 31, 2016 by pivcelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pivcelin Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) I also never have to resort to rapid shots because my heat never goes higher than 30 or so. Edited August 31, 2016 by pivcelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTurin Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Hello. After a few hours of dummy abuse I realised that I can't get my dps much higher than 5.5 - 5.7 on a mil or 1.5 mil dummy. Gear is 220 token, only OH is 216. 1350ish crit, 850ish ala, 111 accuracy with accuracy stim. Tried swapping for extra accuracy augment and using versatile stim, didn't help matters. I'd like to think that I'm using rotation and priority system somewhat accurate, albeit screwing up a bit in this parse. I noticed that I have a very low APM http://parsely.io/parser/view/201706 So, here's my cry for help ;-; Yup, your accuracy is a tad high, but your biggest problem is your low apm, you should be hitting around 36-37 at least, and once you do, you'll find yourself needing to use rapid shots and your energy management buttons. Are you clicking or using keybinds? If you are clicking, I would swap over to keybinds asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pivcelin Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Always been using keybinds, I imagine I'd be even worse if I didn't ^^ I'll try to sort gear a bit better, but I have no idea how to fix apm issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTurin Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Always been using keybinds, I imagine I'd be even worse if I didn't ^^ I'll try to sort gear a bit better, but I have no idea how to fix apm issue Practice, practice, practice I'm afraid... Also, one thing to keep in mind is that you don't actually have to wait for the GCD to end to hit the next ability. There is a setting (defaulted to .5 seconds) that basically lets you "queue" abilities before the end of the gcd by that amount of time. So if you hit heatseeker missle off, you can then hit high impact bolt basically right away instead of waiting for the gcd to end. It will take some work to get the timing down, but it is definitely worth it to make sure there is only 1.5 seconds between each ability (you seem to hover around 2 seconds between each activation, that's why I asked about if you were clicking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steefr Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 for pve and parsing you need 684 acc as a minimum to have 110% accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTurin Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 for pve and parsing you need 684 acc as a minimum to have 110% accuracy. Ah this is a good point. When you had said 111 accuracy, I'd assumed you meant 111%, but if you meant 111 points, you do need 684 accuracy points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pivcelin Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Oh, I'm sorry I wasn't clear, I indeed meant 111%. Thank you for your replies, going to practice more ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pip-La Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 What is the highest dps(if played right) spec so far for commandos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steefr Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Technically still IO but it's not worh it. The difference is marginal (only visible on dummy parses tbh) and the heat management and target swapping is much worse. For any actual playing, go arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbogbog Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Arsenal is good for now. IO supposed to be better for single boss fights but almost no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilhobojoe Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 When you realize this thread is 3 years old Kappa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 When you realize this thread is 3 years old Kappa When you realise the Gunnery/Arsenal guide is still valid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAMER_NOW Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) May I ask what changed for Assault Specialist/Innovative Ordinance? I know we got Preemptive strike (the extra dot from Assault Plastique/Thermal Detonator). Does that change the rotation/opener/when to use stims/etc.? The latest rotation I can find is the one used in Bant's gear guide. Should I be using that? Edited March 5, 2017 by GAMER_NOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 Hmm? Oh nothing happened to Innovative Ordinance/Assault either. 3.0 is still with us today. Pre-Emptive Strike grants extra damage even if you don't hit the AP/TD. The only thing that changed is that you can hit it to make it go off early. Boosted Bolts is yet another one of these BS procs with a tiny effect you can't do anything about but they wanted to get fancy with a trivial damage buff by cluttering the buff bar with another icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 On the not actually negative side as opposed to a positive note, nothing changes to mechanics in 5.3 despite opportunities for it to improve. Damage is being taken away everywhere but no mechanical changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilet Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 The Mercenary is my main character and i appreciate this post. A verry good guide and excellent work. :wea_07:Thank you Hotwired:wea_07: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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