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LuciusEverbane
07.23.2018 , 11:51 AM | #1
Annihilation / Watchman is arguably one of the most challenging Specs in the game, but also the least enjoyable. It suffers from very short up times after DOT's have been applied and an incredibly long build up time to do any considerable damage compared to other DOT Specs in-game. The Spec lacks any real Burst, Force Rend / Force Melt needs to apply a Debuff such as an Armor Reduction, and Deadly Saber/ Overload Saber needs to be a passive. It's a waste of a GCD to apply it after its damage is minimal and its up-time is so short.

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TalonVII
07.23.2018 , 12:53 PM | #2
Could also use another attack or two if you ask me. Too few attacks so you spend a lot of time spamming base attack. However, not much of an issue keeping energy up unlike the other 2 specs which is why I find annihilation easier to use.
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07.23.2018 , 12:57 PM | #3
Deadly saber is "a waste of a GCD to apply it after its damage is minimal and its up-time is so short."? It's literally the biggest chunk of Annihilation's damage. Slightly over 20% judging from parsely parses. I'm also not sure what you mean with "a waste of a GCD to apply", the ability itself is off the global cooldown, so you're not wasting a GCD on using it, unless you're just waiting a global cooldown for no reason after using it. And the effect applied to enemies happens as you use your melee attacks which you're going to be using anyway, so there's really no time being wasted anywhere in the ability.

Honestly I wouldn't mind some changes to Annihilation, I personally really miss the old 6 second cooldown Annihilate and long cooldown Rupture with a chance of cooldown reset. But honestly making Deadly Saber a passive just seems insane to me.

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07.23.2018 , 02:21 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by LuciusEverbane View Post
Annihilation / Watchman is arguably one of the most challenging Specs in the game, but also the least enjoyable. It suffers from very short up times after DOT's have been applied and an incredibly long build up time to do any considerable damage compared to other DOT Specs in-game. The Spec lacks any real Burst, Force Rend / Force Melt needs to apply a Debuff such as an Armor Reduction, and Deadly Saber/ Overload Saber needs to be a passive. It's a waste of a GCD to apply it after its damage is minimal and its up-time is so short.
What? I haven't played Watchman much since 5.0, but Overload saber isn't on the GCD, iirc. So use it at will. Secondly, it refreshes each time you apply a stack, so the key is to use force melt before applying the 3rd stack to maximize uptime of overload saber. I think this is a L2P issue as I find Watchman to be easier than Combat.

PS - it takes time to build up 6 stacks, so this spec doesn't get ramped up until late -- and by then, most things are already dead. But that's what makes it great for long boss fights.
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07.24.2018 , 04:03 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by LuciusEverbane View Post
Annihilation / Watchman is arguably one of the most challenging Specs in the game, but also the least enjoyable. It suffers from very short up times after DOT's have been applied and an incredibly long build up time to do any considerable damage compared to other DOT Specs in-game. The Spec lacks any real Burst, Force Rend / Force Melt needs to apply a Debuff such as an Armor Reduction, and Deadly Saber/ Overload Saber needs to be a passive. It's a waste of a GCD to apply it after its damage is minimal and its up-time is so short.
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TalonVII
07.25.2018 , 11:53 AM | #6
Personally I would like this spec to have a couple of different big hitters like Saber Overload and all have long cool downs but could keep in rotation so when your other abilities are down and you get your energy back up when abilites come around you can just every 15 to 30 seconds(give or take) have a really big spike damage hit.

So annihilation is more big hit spike damage with meh sustained where as the other two is more about constant dps or combo burst.

Makes different flavors.

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07.25.2018 , 02:14 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by LuciusEverbane View Post
Annihilation / Watchman is arguably one of the most challenging Specs in the game, but also the least enjoyable. It suffers from very short up times after DOT's have been applied and an incredibly long build up time to do any considerable damage compared to other DOT Specs in-game. The Spec lacks any real Burst, Force Rend / Force Melt needs to apply a Debuff such as an Armor Reduction, and Deadly Saber/ Overload Saber needs to be a passive. It's a waste of a GCD to apply it after its damage is minimal and its up-time is so short.
Annihilation is fine as is. It's not supposed to have burst. It's meant to be a pure sustained spec. Also Deadly Saber does not do "minimal damage." It deals quite a high amount, and is responsible for roughly 20.5% of the spec's damage. It's also off the GCD. Also, regarding your comment about it not "doing any considerable damage compared to other DoT specs in game," this is false. Very few specs outdamage Annihilation.
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07.25.2018 , 02:16 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post
Personally I would like this spec to have a couple of different big hitters like Saber Overload and all have long cool downs but could keep in rotation so when your other abilities are down and you get your energy back up when abilites come around you can just every 15 to 30 seconds(give or take) have a really big spike damage hit.

So annihilation is more big hit spike damage with meh sustained where as the other two is more about constant dps or combo burst.

Makes different flavors.

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Marauders already have 2 specs that deal considerable burst damage. Annihilation doesn't need to be changed.
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07.25.2018 , 02:31 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by LuciusEverbane View Post
Annihilation / Watchman is arguably one of the most challenging Specs in the game, but also the least enjoyable. It suffers from very short up times after DOT's have been applied and an incredibly long build up time to do any considerable damage compared to other DOT Specs in-game. The Spec lacks any real Burst, Force Rend / Force Melt needs to apply a Debuff such as an Armor Reduction, and Deadly Saber/ Overload Saber needs to be a passive. It's a waste of a GCD to apply it after its damage is minimal and its up-time is so short.
I really hope this is a troll thread. Opinions aside (liking or not liking the spec) a lot of stuff said in this thread is false. Short DoT uptime means better target swapping than most dot spec, so in a sense less build-up. This is not a burst spec so it's ok to not have real burst. As has been said overload is off the GCD.

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Could also use another attack or two if you ask me. Too few attacks so you spend a lot of time spamming base attack. However, not much of an issue keeping energy up unlike the other 2 specs which is why I find annihilation easier to use.
What? Annihilation is one of the specs that use the most different abilities in this game in its core rotation. Base attack has a very light use.

Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post
Personally I would like this spec to have a couple of different big hitters like Saber Overload and all have long cool downs but could keep in rotation so when your other abilities are down and you get your energy back up when abilites come around you can just every 15 to 30 seconds(give or take) have a really big spike damage hit.
Once again you make me think you don't know what annihilation is. Saber overload is not a big hitter, it's a dot (pretty good dot but still not a big hitter). Also this description you made of what you want annihilation to be is exactly what carnage/combat is. Anni is a sustained spec.
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TalonVII
07.25.2018 , 06:23 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Eloi_BG View Post
I really hope this is a troll thread. Opinions aside (liking or not liking the spec) a lot of stuff said in this thread is false. Short DoT uptime means better target swapping than most dot spec, so in a sense less build-up. This is not a burst spec so it's ok to not have real burst. As has been said overload is off the GCD.



What? Annihilation is one of the specs that use the most different abilities in this game in its core rotation. Base attack has a very light use.



Once again you make me think you don't know what annihilation is. Saber overload is not a big hitter, it's a dot (pretty good dot but still not a big hitter). Also this description you made of what you want annihilation to be is exactly what carnage/combat is. Anni is a sustained spec.
Mmm maybe. I guess you're right. But I end up with so much energy up all the time and no movies many times to use it with unless I spam vicious slash.

And are you sure on the abilities. Cause here's how I usually roll with my Marauder(btw this is not my main but I have one of each class. Since I have a marauded opposite side is a guardian etc)
Start with dual saber throw, force charge, deadly saber, rupture, force rend, battering assault, annihilate, force scream.

By that point rupture and rend are back up but a lot of the rest are not. Many times I'll have full rage and nothing but vicious slash and rupture to use for a good while till the rest come off cool down.

Which is the problem I have. Plenty of rage, almost nothing to use it on many times.

If you got a better rotation I'm all ears.
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