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So... Whats next? The Future of SWTOR...

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kodrac
01.03.2018 , 11:48 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Very good point...many of the Blizzard employees have a hand in shaping the world they design, which makes it a matter of personal pride as well. Clearly EA has no pride and no shame...
To be fair, or a devil's advocate, not that I like EA or anything, EA/BW is handcuffed by the IP. Blizzard created Warcraft so they can do what they want with it at any time. EA/BW doesn't own Star Wars and has to stay under the radar, so to speak, when they want to create or change anything. I suspect it's even more difficult now that Disney is making it up as they go along. There doesn't seem to be any real guidelines to what is Star Wars anymore after seeing the latest version...
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ExarSun
01.03.2018 , 12:10 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by olagatonjedi View Post
Lol, and you are a "true" star wars fan? What makes a "true" star wars fan? Just stop and think before hitting send.
In fact I am, been growing up with this verse, not only movies or games, but the whole of Expanded Universe. Other than that I have no obligation to explain myself to some EA fanboy/whiteknight/bury head in the sand thing. And I will post whatever I like, including well-deserved criticism about the poor state that 2017 development brought to this game. I don't usually bother with such kind of posts, but it seems i am in the mood lol.

EDIT: As for the fools EA made themselves on Star Wars related products, there really isn't anything to discuss. Only blind not so right in the head people think EA cares about any IP further than the money they can squeeze.

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dscount
01.03.2018 , 01:37 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Very good point...many of the Blizzard employees have a hand in shaping the world they design, which makes it a matter of personal pride as well. Clearly EA has no pride and no shame...
Not true... EA was very proud telling the world they made $800 million cash grabbed off FIFA players for microtransactions.

I do agree it would be nice if Bioware could put less "EA" into the product, but we all know that would never happen just short of Disney buying out Bioware and funding a better game.
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01.03.2018 , 01:49 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by kodrac View Post
To be fair, or a devil's advocate, not that I like EA or anything, EA/BW is handcuffed by the IP. Blizzard created Warcraft so they can do what they want with it at any time. EA/BW doesn't own Star Wars and has to stay under the radar, so to speak, when they want to create or change anything. I suspect it's even more difficult now that Disney is making it up as they go along. There doesn't seem to be any real guidelines to what is Star Wars anymore after seeing the latest version...
Fair enough...but being 3000 years before anything "canon" happens, they have a helluva lot more creative freedom than anyone else does. The IP, in this case, provides just the setting...Bioware screwed it up by bringing back a character I played 10 years ago and making him 300+ years old. Bioware dug their own hole in the horrible story the game told. KOTFE/KOTET just dug deeper by making Jedi and Sith able to destroy worlds with their flipping minds...something that would clearly lead to ending each and every one of them because of the danger they presented.

So...as much as you want to claim the IP limits what they can do, I think most of the hole Bioware has dug has been self inflicted, not mandated by Disney.
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olagatonjedi
01.03.2018 , 01:54 PM | #65
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I call it as I see it. Been here a long time, and saw how much this game has changed...for the worse. Overall development decisions that brought this game to its current state speak for themselves. I did only mention EA as a whole, I wasn't excluding all the devs, all the people that work on this game. Of course there should be fans amongst them and there certainly are, but the people in EA that make the general decisions for where this game should go aren''t such in my eyes (some EA suit or CEO so shortsighted they only see short-time money earnings)...or are just incompetent, which is worse.
EA as a the owner of the SW licence certainly don't care about Star Wars, they care about the money the can squeeze from it...the fiasco with SWBF 2 shows it pretty clear....If you cant get that...well...it shows how much is your capacity...but its always fun to read fanboys defending obvious disasters ( such as EA deciding whats best for a game you play) that sadly has befallen this game and the people responsible for them....Oh and I doubt anyone cares how blindly you root for EA, we have seen so many of you...

Not that I particularly like Blizzard, but for all their decision they still strongly support their game and have at least the decency to come out to their customers and say what they will or wont do for their game, plans for the future and so on. People at the helm of Blizzard at least when it comes to WoW care more about the game than finding the next best reskin to put for microtransactions.
That's enough time wasted explaining to the likes of you.
I would hope they dont put someone in charge of the game that is going to make decisions based on personal feelings and fandom. Thats a recioe for disaster that likely wouldnt have allowed swtor to last as long as it has. They need someone with a strong business sense making the decisions about the business.

Ive said before, amd will say it again. SW has a fanbase that is much more unforgiving than WOW, and has a lot longer history/buildup than WOW too, so it is impossible to make changes without having passionate criticism coming from one corner or another. Good business people are able to block that element out because it generally leads to bad results that are made from decisions that cant be supported.

My view of SW is different than yours, and likely both of ours will be different than a star wars fan/businessman placed in charge of the game. So when he makes a decision as a fan, its likely he will receive backlash and thoughts of failure from those that dont view SW the same as him.

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ExarSun
01.03.2018 , 01:54 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Fair enough...but being 3000 years before anything "canon" happens, they have a helluva lot more creative freedom than anyone else does. The IP, in this case, provides just the setting...Bioware screwed it up by bringing back a character I played 10 years ago and making him 300+ years old. Bioware dug their own hole in the horrible story the game told. KOTFE/KOTET just dug deeper by making Jedi and Sith able to destroy worlds with their flipping minds...something that would clearly lead to ending each and every one of them because of the danger they presented.

So...as much as you want to claim the IP limits what they can do, I think most of the hole Bioware has dug has been self inflicted, not mandated by Disney.
To be fair in the now non-cannon legacy books and novels (best story in the lore IMO (Caedus ftw)), Sidious could destroy a planet or at least a huge-*** fleet with his force storm. Ridiculous power levels aren't the worst thing..the worst thing is your character being so stupid in KOTFE/KOTET he only follows what others tell him to do and couldn't obliterate having some of the powers of the spirits ot Valk and Vayling some traitors...
Other than that i agree...there are so many characters they could use - Malgus, Jadus...even time jumps to Bane...But overall this isn't the main problem anymore...its the total lack of content that can keep you busy for more than a week.

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kodrac
01.03.2018 , 01:59 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Fair enough...but being 3000 years before anything "canon" happens, they have a helluva lot more creative freedom than anyone else does. The IP, in this case, provides just the setting...Bioware screwed it up by bringing back a character I played 10 years ago and making him 300+ years old. Bioware dug their own hole in the horrible story the game told. KOTFE/KOTET just dug deeper by making Jedi and Sith able to destroy worlds with their flipping minds...something that would clearly lead to ending each and every one of them because of the danger they presented.

So...as much as you want to claim the IP limits what they can do, I think most of the hole Bioware has dug has been self inflicted, not mandated by Disney.
I don't disagree with anything you said. They have room to create their own history, but they painted themselves into a corner with this awful story. They have to design game elements around it and it's getting them/us nowhere. Where the IP comes into play is they can't just say "Let's bring in the Borg and start all over". It's bad enough they created the Eternal Fleet. How they get themselves out the whole needs to be Star Wars too or it won't pass. Fans won't flock/come back to the game for "It was all a dream" or "a planet blew up and it created a rift in time". The Star Wars has to go hand-in-hand with the game elements. If they don't we end up where we are now.
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01.03.2018 , 02:01 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by olagatonjedi View Post
I would hope they dont put someone in charge of the game that is going to make decisions based on personal feelings and fandom. Thats a recioe for disaster that likely wouldnt have allowed swtor to last as long as it has. They need someone with a strong business sense making the decisions about the business.

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Sorry my friend, but do you think what happened to this game is proof for a strong business sense? Total decline of everything and inability or desire to invest somewhat in something that is popular, now even more with regular movies coming out. Flopping a game like SWBF 2...and here....having a total drought of content or advertising or anything actually when even maintenance mode LOTRO is putting huge expansions...Sorry but EA is famous for the complete reverse thing - absolutely no sense of keeping lasting business, only squeezing what they can by microtransactions and the bare minimum of efforts as far as content goes. And they should be called out for it - in SWBF 2, in here, everywhere...
They even went as far as to massacre one of the best and most famous sci-fi IPs in the face of Mass Effect. I absolutely have no faith in them. Incompetence + greed...this is what EA represent, Blizzard when it comes to WoW - don't. You see I am not mad at the people that do daily work on this game...I am mad at the people deciding the future of it, the funding of it. Because they brought us to all-time low.
I fully agree SW fans are more unforgiving than WoW...but that is not all negative thing.

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Jesseriah
01.03.2018 , 02:34 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by ExarSun View Post
Sorry my friend, but do you think what happened to this game is proof for a strong business sense? Total decline of everything and inability or desire to invest somewhat in something that is popular, now even more with regular movies coming out. Flopping a game like SWBF 2...and here....having a total drought of content or advertising or anything actually when even maintenance mode LOTRO is putting huge expansions...Sorry but EA is famous for the complete reverse thing - absolutely no sense of keeping lasting business, only squeezing what they can by microtransactions and the bare minimum of efforts as far as content goes. And they should be called out for it - in SWBF 2, in here, everywhere...
They even went as far as to massacre one of the best and most famous sci-fi IPs in the face of Mass Effect. I absolutely have no faith in them. Incompetence + greed...this is what EA represent, Blizzard when it comes to WoW - don't. You see I am not mad at the people that do daily work on this game...I am mad at the people deciding the future of it, the funding of it. Because they brought us to all-time low.
I fully agree SW fans are more unforgiving than WoW...but that is not all negative thing.
As much as i love SW and my chars and so on but the saddest thing is that this is the truth.
I guess EA thinks "okay, they love SW so no matter what we can do what we want".
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01.03.2018 , 02:40 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by kodrac View Post
I don't disagree with anything you said. They have room to create their own history, but they painted themselves into a corner with this awful story. They have to design game elements around it and it's getting them/us nowhere. Where the IP comes into play is they can't just say "Let's bring in the Borg and start all over". It's bad enough they created the Eternal Fleet. How they get themselves out the whole needs to be Star Wars too or it won't pass. Fans won't flock/come back to the game for "It was all a dream" or "a planet blew up and it created a rift in time". The Star Wars has to go hand-in-hand with the game elements. If they don't we end up where we are now.
BORG lol! I agree Kodrac...they've painted themselves into a corner right now...we can't go back to being a Trooper or a Spy or a Smuggler...we've gone way too far past that and that was a HUGE mistake imo. We're above taking orders at this point (but we don't give them either), which in a video game, is crucial to advancing the story imo. Besides saving the universe, what more could the galaxy ask of me? I've grown beyond storming Corellia with a band of misfits or hunting down intelligence on Nar Shadda...we've become too powerful to do the menial tasks that fuel fun stories. I believe Lana or Theron should have been "the Outlander" and we could have been the right hand man...that would still allow for a return to Imps vs Pubs had they gone that way.
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