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[TFA Spoilers] coexistence of SWTOR canon and Disney canon

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[TFA Spoilers] coexistence of SWTOR canon and Disney canon

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BrianDavion
01.12.2016 , 05:56 AM | #11
Incidently, I've long theorized that the folks managing SW these days are KOTOR fans, between the look of Kylo Ren (definate revan stylings) the mcguffin of TFA being a star chart, a fair number of KOTOR referances in the TFA visual dictionary, and now the upcoming episode of rebels.... I'd say it's pretty much confirmed.

if the folks running SW are fans, that bodes pretty well for the KOTOR series, at the very least I expect disney to avoid contridicting it, and chances are we'll slowly see things from it slip into canon over time
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Kaioh
01.12.2016 , 06:44 AM | #12
The planet Luke is found on is Rakata Prime, incidentally, the same world the Star Forge orbited in KOTOR. It even has very similar visual features.

Also at least one other Old Republic reference is in new Star Wars canon. In the Star Wars Heroes app, you can unlock HK-47. Every other character in that game is from Ep I and later. Plus the fact that Swtor is still in existence bodes well.

From what I have been able to figure out, the only actual canon that has been rewritten is post-Jedi (thank god the silly yuuzang vong will never exist).

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jauvtus
01.12.2016 , 10:41 AM | #13
We know that the Jee'dai Order was founded by different groups who were studying the Force but never met each other until the Tho Yor Coming. Tho Yors are ancient starships that carried multiple Force-studying groups to Tyhon. The first Jee'dai temples were descended Tho Yors (some of them left the planet, probably searching for more groups, while others stayed on Tython). Maybe Luke was looking for a Tho Yor?
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PSVEindhoven
01.12.2016 , 12:12 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaioh View Post
The planet Luke is found on is Rakata Prime, incidentally, the same world the Star Forge orbited in KOTOR. It even has very similar visual features.

Also at least one other Old Republic reference is in new Star Wars canon. In the Star Wars Heroes app, you can unlock HK-47. Every other character in that game is from Ep I and later. Plus the fact that Swtor is still in existence bodes well.

From what I have been able to figure out, the only actual canon that has been rewritten is post-Jedi (thank god the silly yuuzang vong will never exist).
The planet is called Ahch-To, if I spell it correctly. You could indeed think Luke is on Rakata Prime, but this hasn't been confirmed yet, or won't be confirmed. But yeah, the world of Rakata Prime exists in canon now, as it is shown on the Galactic Map in The Visual Dictionary. Beyond that, we know nothing of this world in the new canon, so it could be.

AFAIK the videogames and apps are not considered canon.

+1 on your comment about the Yuuzang Vong
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01.12.2016 , 03:16 PM | #15
We' ve known for a while now that TOR/KOTOR/TotJ was Legends canon, and as such it was not technically canon anymore after the EU reboot. I've always operated under the assumption that as long as a Legends story is not contradicted by anything canon, it can still be counted as canon personally(IE Plauegeis novel).

EP 7 does seem to indicate that TOR/KOTOR won't be able to be considered even "kinda canon" much longer, which is interesting because of all the nods and references, most blatantly the fact that Rakata Prime is a CANON world now thanks to the visual dictionary. Not to mention Ren's helmet is very similar to Revan's. My guess is some of the people working in TFA were fans of KOTOR/TOR and just wanted to sneak in a few references for fun.

I also kinda believe that at some point Disney will want to develop an Old Republic era through the new canon due to its popularity. I am praying/hoping they either recanonize certain things or make a new canon that is similar, but not exactly the same. Whether it is a standalone film, a separate trilogy, a comic, novel, game, or heck even a tv show, Disney knows, especially after TFA's box office numbers that people will eat up anything Star Wars. I think that is a bit further down the line, 3 or 4 years AT LEAST, but I still think that would be very cool. And it seems likely.

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Sanguiluna
01.12.2016 , 10:18 PM | #16
For the most part, the Old Republic and the films are far enough away from each other that there shouldn't be any contradictions. They'd have to try in order to make a contradiction (e.g. Luke starting off Episode VIII by saying "Revan was just a myth" for no apparent reason).

Technically, the Old Republic is considered "Legends" now, just like the rest of the EU, but I've always held the "canon until it's not" attitude: until/unless LFL actually releases something that contradicts or overrides something from the old EU, it's still canon to me. If they say "but that didn't happen," I'll just say "then what DID happen?" and listen to the crickets chirping.
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Ntol
01.13.2016 , 03:55 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaioh View Post
From what I have been able to figure out, the only actual canon that has been rewritten is post-Jedi (thank god the silly yuuzang vong will never exist).
I completely disagree. IMHO the yuuzhan vong were maybe one of the most interesting things ever in Star Wars. Before that the EU stories were mainly: "oh no, thereīs this dangerous situation, but donīt worry no one will die and everything will stay the same".

Also, I cannot understand how so many people are perfectly alright with so many stories being decanonized. For one, the new canon should at least be better than the old one (if you want to decanonize something, why not TPM?), and for what Iīve seen so far thatīs far from happening.

And what if 30 years from now another company buys Star Wars and starts all over again? Will you agree with that too?

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Sanguiluna
01.13.2016 , 08:44 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Ntol View Post
I completely disagree. IMHO the yuuzhan vong were maybe one of the most interesting things ever in Star Wars. Before that the EU stories were mainly: "oh no, thereīs this dangerous situation, but donīt worry no one will die and everything will stay the same".
Personally the Yuuzhan Vong really felt Star Wars-y to me. And if TFA has shown us anything, it's that "no one important will die" is certainly not true in this new canon; even moreso:

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Also, I cannot understand how so many people are perfectly alright with so many stories being decanonized. For one, the new canon should at least be better than the old one (if you want to decanonize something, why not TPM?), and for what Iīve seen so far thatīs far from happening.
I was bummed about all the Old Republic stuff being decanonized. I wasn't too broken up about the post-RotJ stuff just because as soon as they announced Episode VII back in 2012, I already knew that they were going to end up rendering most if not all of the post-RotJ EU non-canon, so I was able to prepare myself. Plus, I always understood that the entire EU was based on two principles: 1) the primacy of the films. This has been true since day one; if a film contradicts something in the EU, then the EU thing is non-canon and it's up to a writer to either retcon it or leave it non-canon; and 2) that the EU's main purpose was to serve as a "placeholder" (i.e. since there's no sequel trilogy, here's a substitute) for any future film, and that if any new films were to be made, then the EU could then be "retired" since it will have fulfilled its purpose. So it wasn't a surprise to me when they had TFA override it; that's how SW has always worked. Think of the EU as Denethor, Steward of Gondor from Lord of the Rings, and think of the films as Aragorn.

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And what if 30 years from now another company buys Star Wars and starts all over again? Will you agree with that too?
When Disney bought Lucasfilm, they kept all the G-Canon stuff canon because they knew that if they decanonized any of it, it would cause the entire story to not make sense. Seeing as how pretty much all material released now is "G-Canon", if Lucasfilm ever gets bought again (btw the chances of this happening are about as high as SWTOR servers becoming lag-free) they'd have to keep all the "G-Canon" material or else the entire story wouldn't make sense anymore.
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BrianDavion
01.13.2016 , 01:31 PM | #19
more to the point, the formula they used for what was canon or not was a pretty simple one...

if it appered on a TV screen, it was still canon.
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Roccobb
01.13.2016 , 11:02 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by BrianDavion View Post
more to the point, the formula they used for what was canon or not was a pretty simple one...

if it appered on a TV screen, it was still canon.
I thought Star Wars Christmas special was deemed non-canon?
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