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Why d'you like Darth Marr ? (Chapter 9 spoiler)

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Why d'you like Darth Marr ? (Chapter 9 spoiler)

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Cythereal
11.10.2015 , 03:47 PM | #11
He's the kind of sane ruler the Empire needs if it is to survive, like Malgus before him. A Sith who sees beyond blind ambition and petty, short-sighted desires.

I guess that's why he got offed by the plot like Malgus before him. Under an Emperor Marr the Sith Empire would likely start to move away from the kitten-eating evil typically associated with the Sith, which is something Star Wars rarely abides for long from the Sith.

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SithKoriandr
11.10.2015 , 05:48 PM | #12
I liked Marr, because he seemed to be generally friendly with my Inquisitor. Not in a "I'm going to backstab you later" sort of way either, generally on good terms. If Sith could have BFF they would have been BFF.

I did not get that feeling with the Wrath, though I did get the feeling of some possible tolerance/respect, but it did not feel like the friendship level Imperious and Marr have.

Marr doesn't deny the talents of the Hunter and Agent, but it feels like he believes them beneath him (which they are, so it makes sense).

Marr also isn't the kill everyone type of Sith, though he certainly seems the type willing to main and have his teams sacrifice themselves for the present goal.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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SerraShar
11.10.2015 , 05:59 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
I liked Marr, because he seemed to be generally friendly with my Inquisitor. Not in a "I'm going to backstab you later" sort of way either, generally on good terms. If Sith could have BFF they would have been BFF.

I did not get that feeling with the Wrath, though I did get the feeling of some possible tolerance/respect, but it did not feel like the friendship level Imperious and Marr have.

Marr doesn't deny the talents of the Hunter and Agent, but it feels like he believes them beneath him (which they are, so it makes sense).

Marr also isn't the kill everyone type of Sith, though he certainly seems the type willing to main and have his teams sacrifice themselves for the present goal.
He hated mine...like hell....she was so psycho! she be Best Stabber forever !

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Lazproperty
11.11.2015 , 04:43 AM | #14
My main is a SI, and after the whole story it felt good to finally have a fellow Sith not trying to kill me or humiliate me in some way, therefore after this I could only like him even with the rest of my toons.

Darth Marr is the epytome of what a Sith Commander already at the top should be, a guy with vision and now above petty rivalries with his own kin, but still dark and ruthless. By strengthening the empire you strengthen yourself too, so it's not like he's a selfless samaritan .

For the ghost thing, he was at peace with death long before actually dying and his entire life was dedicated to defend the empire so I don't see why his motivations would change in death when all is at risk and he could still be of use. Also Satele and him were the poster children for republic and empire cooperation since SoR. Basically exactly what the Outlander is doing now so it wasn't out of place, with Satele in exile and Marr dead it was kinda like them handing over the torch to us, atleast that's my interpretation of it .

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squirtai
11.11.2015 , 05:09 AM | #15
A lot of the empire you see is an empire ruled by an elite class of mostly youngish, emotionally immature psychopathic young adults with magic powers and no rules. When you think about it though, the empire has to have, or has to have had, better leaders if it'd survived for centuries. If you are an empire player who wants to imagine that the empire IS a functional (though probably unpleasant) society led by competent (but almost certainly evil) leaders, then Darth Marr is a glimpse into that possibility.

People also like him for the same reasons most likable characters are likable - he's a character that people can relate to, and he has qualities that are admirable. He's the empire's defender (literally, having held the sphere of defence for 40 ish years), he genuinely cares about the state of the empire. The guy's like 60 and foreseen his own death, and yet is still interested in opposing the emperor only for the benefit of the empire he leaves behind. This is something players can relate to. He's also competent, practical, gives respect where it's due, and seems to inspire loyalty. And there are so few other characters empire side that players can relate to, or have any redeeming qualities.

I always wondered whether more sith would be like him if only they managed to live a bit longer. I mean, no doubt Marr has managed to survive so long because he's strong and competent. But there is probably a bit of luck in there as well. I kind of imagine that before the war, most sith would be like... spending their youth fighting other sith for power, trying to prove themselves, raising as high as they can. And at some point they get as far as they'll ever get, and then with age will come a bit of wisdom and... realism. And then they hang around, hopefully being useful to the empire, probably going home at some point to have kids (the games talk about sith bloodlines. bloodlines = multiple generations. So sith parents are at least raising their kids to the point where those kids will, after growing up and becoming sith themselves, care enough to come back and continue the bloodline).

You kind of get a glimpse of this with other older sith as well, Darth Vowrawn for example. In my headcannon, I kind of feel like the war screwed over sith society big time in a few ways:
* The ratio of immature kids with magic powers to older seasoned sith lords with some perspective on life shifted massively, because the older sith lords who were the leaders at the time the war started have mostly been killed.
* Training any force sensitives including slaves (this was supposedly started to fix the war depleting sith numbers) and trying to convert Jedi didn't help. We went previously from children raised and groomed from childhood to wield power (sith bloodlines, etc.) to giving emotionally traumatized slaves magic powers and telling them they could do whatever the hell they want.
* The emperor himself being distant. Because there's nothing like the threat of a more powerful being to encourage cooperation and obedience to the common good.

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TairisAnders
11.11.2015 , 09:06 AM | #16
Marr (and Beniko for that matter) are the most realistic bad guys in the game. The idea the Empire could be ran by self serving psychopaths is quite ludicrous. Marr is evil but a rational man.... power is about ruling the galaxy not destroying it. Like is not the right word for Marr.... heck my own Agent is a loyalist racist fascist .... i don't like her but i love playing her.... she should be tried and executed for heinous war crimes. Darth Vader is pure evil but most fans would say they "like" Vader.

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MusicRider
11.11.2015 , 09:32 AM | #17
The behavior of both Marr and Lana can be explained by their upbrining and environment, of course they reside on threats and fear and they won't hesitate to carry them out, but in comparison to the rest of the Siths, who are the true stereotype of Sith, they do not care so much about personal power but rather they are patriotic and seek a powerful (Imperial) society.

Also why I liked him? That is because he is not afraid to give respect when it is due as shown in the respectful bow towards Shatele. In fact in that scene out of the two Shatele is the one being unable to get past her past issues and behaves more than a Sith than Marr does.

Probably the term Imperial dark side Jedis would described them best IMO, but putting this 4 words together is contradictory to their definition.

PS: My favourite and funniest scene with my sage and Marr is during sn interrogation in SoR, side-stepping him allowing Shatele to conduct the interrogation leads to his reply "Don't push me further!" LOL. Here is the link.
PPS: The only reason that the Empire managed to recover after the end of the main chapters of PCs is due to the leadership of Marr, this starting during the RotHC.

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SaveTheMonkeys
11.11.2015 , 02:58 PM | #18
You can like a character without liking them as a person. I have little tolerance for stupid 'I will bathe in your blood just cos!' evil, and Marr stands apart from most Sith characters.
In-character, my consular has a wary respect for him, but certainly doesn't like him.

I like Saresh as a character too - she creates conflict, and contrasts nicely with the image the Republic wants to have of itself.
In-character, my consular wants nothing to do with her, and has become somewhat disillusioned about the republic because of her leadership.

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Audoucet
11.11.2015 , 03:53 PM | #19
Yeah, but, that's the point of the Dark Side : Quick and easy power, at the price of your sanity.

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lokdron
11.11.2015 , 07:35 PM | #20
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Yeah, but, that's the point of the Dark Side : Quick and easy power, at the price of your sanity.
Well yes hence why both lana and Marr are still evil Lana casually commits homicide and manipulates "allies" if it will benefit the sith and the empire and marr approves when you crash his ship into another ship. As long as it destroys the enemy does not matter who else is on it and who dies. Plus he spends his time converting jedi to the dark side according to Lachris

People like these characters because well they are sith with an actual head on their shoulders instead of the many sith we encounter that only care for murder and mayhem.

They actually have vision and character hence why they are my favorites along with Traya.