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Zerileth
09.06.2017 , 06:33 PM | #9191
Finally jumped on Harbie to start doing Fps for Conquest today. Main mando medic. Been healing for 2 years. Love it. 248 gear rating.

MM GF finally pops to Malgus. All 70s. One dps range shooter, tank is Jugg. Can't remember other dps. Maybe melee. Tank immediately ask if everybody knows "BH Boss. I said: "Interrupt Flame Sweep like your RL depends on it" (I also know the one about only the tank engaging til ship is destroyed). One dps says no they don't know it, but we move on to the first trash pull. I "bolt" mark the big droid in back left and type: stunning bolt. Tank engages, droid is stunned and stun is broken (nothing new there). We clear trash and I hit power boots and cross over the chasm to the 2 big droids waiting below. Someone presses the blue thing on the computer on the upper level that nobody really does anymore and isn't part of the bonus but whatever. Droids are cleared, next set of trash cleared and tank presses the blue thing there. I indicated they're not required for the bonus, in case he didn't know, but it seemed from his beginning question about the BH boss that he's done this b4.

So we go around next trash group and jump down, and clear. The big droid goes over the side and we get ready for the bridge boss. Shield, shield, shield, shield, kolto shot (whatever) the tank and it begins. Jugg tank leaps in and is thrown back. One add dead, and one DPS goes over railing to death. Tank engages in the red circle and loses some health but backs off bridge. With one dps down, I'm hitting the other 2 to finish them off. I think one dps was new. Probably the one that went over. Tank is getting farther away so I start backing up and healing. I notice he is backed up to that computer and the boss activates the red circle of death: tank melts. I mean really MELTS. Like a naked, armor-less healer solo tanking an OPS boss. I CR. With the boss at half health and Echoing Det (God I love this skill) the last dps and I down the boss. The tank never uses the CR. Why? Wouldn't a real tank want to jump back into that fight?

By this point, the dead dps has gone back to start and has found one of the wandering big droids we didn't kill. We're in combat. She dies. The other dps runs back and dies. As I start running back the big droid is coming toward me, but has about 10% health. Done. Everybody is back and we proceed across the bridge. I tell the tank he got CR'd. And then this:

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO FRACKING (he didn't use fracking) HEAL?

So i type: "Wait... you were standing in the red circle and you're blaming me for your death? I seemed to tank him just fine." Rubbed some salt in there!

I wonder if he was ftp because there was a long pause before his next rant which he pretty much typed the same thing again. Anyways, I yell back a few nasty comments and proceed against the wall around that small group after the bridge. I go up the ramp and one of the dps aggros the group. The tank jumps in and b4 I can get back he MELTS and is dead again.

Let's pause for a moment. I don't care for tanking. I love healing and some dps. I respect tanks and think their job is the hardest in the group. You tanks out there... how do I say this... would you have melted jumping into a group of 4 mobs before your healer got to you? So I typed: "Where are your dcds?" Long pause.

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO FREAKING HEAL? and some other crap.

Now I'm peeved. He goes back to start and I tank and kill the big droid at the top of the stairs and check the tank's rating. Why I check now I have no idea. I try to trust players. Too much apparently. He's 224, no augs. I tell him such and we start arguing some more. He tells me he should be able to tank naked with a good healer or something. We clear the next set of trash with no problem and proceed to Jindo Krey. I know we'll wipe. And we do. No healing can stop that 300% and nobody was interrupting Flame Sweep. Obviously including Mr. Tank Extraordinaire. I left at that point and the other dps players followed. Another tard on the ignore list.

Why be nasty right off after one death? Does that really work for people? When I dps I work my tush off so the healer doesn't have to heal me or very little. The few times I've tanked I consider healers a bonus perk but never a necessity.

It's players like this that give tanks a bad name. But I've been with too many great tanks and know better. They'd be appalled at his reliance on the healer. I guess I'm trying to justify my role but I don't know why. Human nature. I've healed that FP several times on MM with ZERO problems.

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Threjyan
09.07.2017 , 04:49 AM | #9192
^^ i would handle it with even more salt i wonder how u managed to stay that cool
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AlrikFassbauer
09.07.2017 , 10:47 AM | #9193
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I usually cleanse at 5 or 6, but yeah, 5 is ideal.
Thanks. I never really noticed that.
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aerockyul
09.07.2017 , 12:45 PM | #9194
Quote: Originally Posted by Zerileth View Post
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I think a big culprit in all of this is that in Veteran fps, you literally CAN heal through dps and tanks ignoring mechanics and standing in circles. Then they get to MM where the mechanics matter more and they get angry you didn't heal them through it like on Veteran. They've been bailed out their entire Flashpoint career by kolto stations and good healers.
*Any player who was around before Vet would be very unlikely to throw hissy fit little tantrums by this point

Same thing in Ops. People do the SM only and can ignore most mechanics and the healers are constantly bailing them out, and then they get into HM and things...take a turn...
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Aeneas_Falco
09.07.2017 , 01:01 PM | #9195
Quote: Originally Posted by aerockyul View Post
I think a big culprit in all of this is that in Veteran fps, you literally CAN heal through dps and tanks ignoring mechanics and standing in circles. Then they get to MM where the mechanics matter more and they get angry you didn't heal them through it like on Veteran. They've been bailed out their entire Flashpoint career by kolto stations and good healers.
*Any player who was around before Vet would be very unlikely to throw hissy fit little tantrums by this point

Same thing in Ops. People do the SM only and can ignore most mechanics and the healers are constantly bailing them out, and then they get into HM and things...take a turn...
So much that.

There are a couple exceptions like the droid that spams the minefield in Vet mode Korriban Incursion (and even that you can heal through if the DPS stays within LoS), but generally speaking in Vet mode you can heal through nearly all the standing-in-stupid that some DPS and tanks are prone to. I think you're right in saying that it conditions some who aren't used to MM to expect healers to be able to do the same in the harder difficulty setting.

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Tharandil
09.07.2017 , 02:31 PM | #9196
Did a veteran FP a couple of days ago. Got grouped with a lvl 50 sentinel, a lvl 35 sage and a lvl 16 slinger. I was playing a lvl 70 decent geared commando (Gunnary spec). Umbara popped and personally I don't mind one noob in a GF group. After all this is a team effort and new players should be given a chance to learn as well. However the slinger kept attacking every single mob in the area simultaneously. Before we got to the first boss, the sentinel decided to bail on us. His replacement was a lvl 43 Jedi knight. We wiped over and over again despite me trying to explain the tactics and tips and tricks for this FP. Abandoning them did cross my mind sometimes and I got more
Frustrated by the minute. After more then an hour we finally completed umbara.

Is it perhaps an idea to let low lvl players que for easier flashpoints? Several have a few challenging tactics and I'm willing to explain and be patient but if you play with more then one new player in a group it is challenging. If they would just focus on their rotation first it shouldn't have to be so difficult...

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orangenee
09.07.2017 , 06:02 PM | #9197
They shouldn't let pre-70 characters anywhere near Umbara. Even SM was a marked step up from the other FPs, especially the add free for all at the end.
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AlrikFassbauer
09.08.2017 , 09:18 AM | #9198
Quote: Originally Posted by aerockyul View Post
I think a big culprit in all of this is that in Veteran fps, you literally CAN heal through dps and tanks ignoring mechanics and standing in circles. Then they get to MM where the mechanics matter more and they get angry you didn't heal them through it like on Veteran. They've been bailed out their entire Flashpoint career by kolto stations and good healers.
*Any player who was around before Vet would be very unlikely to throw hissy fit little tantrums by this point

Same thing in Ops. People do the SM only and can ignore most mechanics and the healers are constantly bailing them out, and then they get into HM and things...take a turn...
Exactly this - speedruns through FPs only with the intention to get stuff do this.

It's been *ages* since I did a non-speedrun, sadly. I really miss those times. 99 % of all people seem only to want to do speedruns these days.
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Aeneas_Falco
09.08.2017 , 12:24 PM | #9199
Quote: Originally Posted by orangenee View Post
They shouldn't let pre-70 characters anywhere near Umbara. Even SM was a marked step up from the other FPs, especially the add free for all at the end.
I'd go further and say that all veteran flashpoints accessed through Group Finder should have level restrictions based on the minimum level required for that FP at launch. Sure that level 18 can probably make it through Korriban Incurion or Assault on Tython, but only because a level 70 healer is continually topping him up as he melts, or the level 70 tank is guarding him, or because the level 70 DPS are putting out the damage that he sorely lacks. No matter how skilled a player at low levels their characters are a drain on the group and need to be carried.

Players that are lower levels than the content should be restricted to story mode and the God bot companion until they reach an appropriate level for Vet or Master, at least with Group Finder. Manually entering flashpoints is another story. If guild mates or grouped friends want to carry them that should still be viable.

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Tharandil
09.08.2017 , 04:34 PM | #9200
Quote: Originally Posted by Aeneas_Falco View Post
Players that are lower levels than the content should be restricted to story mode and the God bot companion until they reach an appropriate level for Vet or Master, at least with Group Finder. Manually entering flashpoints is another story. If guild mates or grouped friends want to carry them that should still be viable.
That would be a great idea! Mechanics and rotations are key! How would you otherwise go for OPS or HM flashpoints?

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