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Darth_Advent
09.14.2018 , 01:55 AM | #21
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Raiders are the core group of MMO players you should ALWAYS go after.

TOR didn't and that's why this game is in the sorry state it's in.
I strongly doubt that. Wildstar tried exactly that and went down in flames trying to make up for it. World of Warcraft is still no.1 despite the raid community griping about Mythic+ and PvP stealing their candy. TESO has a raiding community but most players still treat it like a single-player RPG with tacked on MMO. GW2 certainly isn't kept alive by its raiders. Not sure about FFXIV since I read a lot of drastically mixed opinions about it.

There was life in MMORPGs before the raid scene and it will continue to exist after that scene's perceived heyday. TOR's albatross has been trying to out-WoW WoW and then trying to reinvent itself too late for that work. Raiders would have just been sucked away by the games that do raids better since operations have never been TOR's best feature when stacked against the competition.
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AshenK
09.14.2018 , 02:31 AM | #22
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I strongly doubt that. Wildstar tried exactly that and went down in flames trying to make up for it. World of Warcraft is still no.1 despite the raid community griping about Mythic+ and PvP stealing their candy. TESO has a raiding community but most players still treat it like a single-player RPG with tacked on MMO. GW2 certainly isn't kept alive by its raiders. Not sure about FFXIV since I read a lot of drastically mixed opinions about it.

There was life in MMORPGs before the raid scene and it will continue to exist after that scene's perceived heyday. TOR's albatross has been trying to out-WoW WoW and then trying to reinvent itself too late for that work. Raiders would have just been sucked away by the games that do raids better since operations have never been TOR's best feature when stacked against the competition.
No one wants story in an MMO they want end game content.

That content is raids and pvp. WildStar had the right idea it just took too long to get into the raids. And even then it was what the people wanted. Oh and those other games? WoW is losing players by the droves. ESO is barely alive. GW2 had to do raids as people got bored. Right now FFXIV is the biggest MMO around thanks in part to Square supporting the end game raider community.

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Darth_Advent
09.14.2018 , 02:22 PM | #23
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No one wants story in an MMO they want end game content.
Incorrect.
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That content is raids and pvp.
And narrative. And exploration. And customization. And "sandbox" elements. And economy. And roleplay support. And seasonal events. And...
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WildStar had the right idea it just took too long to get into the raids. And even then it was what the people wanted.
Clearly not. Preponderance of evidence reveals the exact, diametric opposite conclusion.
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WoW is losing players by the droves.
BfA is the first expansion pack in years that's exceeded and maintained its launch boost.
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ESO is barely alive.
Also wrong. It's the #3 MMORPG worldwide and its Western player base exceeds the number of Westerners playing FFXIV.
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GW2 had to do raids as people got bored.
And yet their raids are notoriously boring DPS orgies that do not satisfy dedicated raiders.
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Right now FFXIV is the biggest MMO around thanks in part to Square supporting the end game raider community.
FFXIV is not even close to the biggest MMO around and most of their content updates do not focus on endgame raiding. Rather raiders are content to bash their faces on high tuned hard modes and beg for bug fixes to occupy the time between new raids

There is a strong disconnect between the reality of this genre and its market as the facts reveal and what you'd prefer to be true according to your own taste in games.
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ExarSun
09.16.2018 , 08:21 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by AshenK View Post
No one wants story in an MMO they want end game content.

That content is raids and pvp. WildStar had the right idea it just took too long to get into the raids. And even then it was what the people wanted. Oh and those other games? WoW is losing players by the droves. ESO is barely alive. GW2 had to do raids as people got bored. Right now FFXIV is the biggest MMO around thanks in part to Square supporting the end game raider community.
Laughable.

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Sangrar
09.16.2018 , 12:53 PM | #25
oh yeah I remember, Wildstar used to be talked about so much on these forums years ago. People used to say it'd outlive this game and that it was the next evolution in MMO's or something, I guess that didn't quite happen in the end
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AshenK
09.19.2018 , 06:34 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Advent View Post
Incorrect.

And narrative. And exploration. And customization. And "sandbox" elements. And economy. And roleplay support. And seasonal events. And...

Clearly not. Preponderance of evidence reveals the exact, diametric opposite conclusion.

BfA is the first expansion pack in years that's exceeded and maintained its launch boost.

Also wrong. It's the #3 MMORPG worldwide and its Western player base exceeds the number of Westerners playing FFXIV.

And yet their raids are notoriously boring DPS orgies that do not satisfy dedicated raiders.

FFXIV is not even close to the biggest MMO around and most of their content updates do not focus on endgame raiding. Rather raiders are content to bash their faces on high tuned hard modes and beg for bug fixes to occupy the time between new raids

There is a strong disconnect between the reality of this genre and its market as the facts reveal and what you'd prefer to be true according to your own taste in games.
This whole post made me laugh lets look at everything.

Blizzard is in full damage control mode right now. go look at the forums for wow they just released a pirate boat for a six month sub its clear theres no new content coming to wow for six months. what an epic blunder on blizzards part they had the biggest mmo in the world and now its gone.

Oh and eso? blunder after blunder and bethesda knows how bad they have it. the new eso+ is just awful and its clear that eso is now on its last legs. i wouldn't be too shocked if eso gets shut down after failout 76 bombs when that comes out. really bethesda had it coming for insulting gamers.

It is crystal clear to anyone with half a brain that the only game doing well is ffxiv. and that's due to square coming out with content that the players want. working with sony to make ffxiv one of the best games both for pc and the ps4. stay mad dude its just how things are now.

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Darth_Advent
09.24.2018 , 01:42 AM | #27
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This whole post made me laugh
Laughing at facts and sober minded reasoning is a queer habit.

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Blizzard is in full damage control mode right now. go look at the forums for wow they just released a pirate boat for a six month sub its clear theres no new content coming to wow for six months. what an epic blunder on blizzards part they had the biggest mmo in the world and now its gone.
The forums have forecast the imminent death of WoW since OG Naxxramas. They have rarely been an accurate barometer for prevailing opinion. The majority of players in any MMORPG game never communicate on the forums even if they browse them. Maybe WoW deserves to die, and I certainly don't miss it after quitting before Warlords of Draenor went into beta, but it's suffered worse content droughts and turned out fine.

WoW has staying power because it doesn't only pander to raiders. They have something for everyone from the Mythic tier raiders to the PvP neckbeards to the 30-year-old roasties collecting faux pokemon battle pets. People sub to WoW for years happily without touching much or any of the "real MMO content" they don't feel like playing.

On a related note, WoW's Mythic raids are more difficult than Wildstar's designs. Guilds that left WoW for Wildstar because of their obnoxious h4xcores only marketing buzz expected that after grinding their teeth on Wildstar's BS raids for a couple of years they'd just tiptoe through the tulips in WoW and show them casual scrubs how it's done. They ate a lot of crow. This is an important point because said veterans did not believe Blizzard was capable of making challenging raids anymore due endgame raids no longer being their heart and soul favorite child focus.

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Oh and eso? blunder after blunder and bethesda knows how bad they have it. the new eso+ is just awful and its clear that eso is now on its last legs. i wouldn't be too shocked if eso gets shut down after failout 76 bombs when that comes out. really bethesda had it coming for insulting gamers.
Neither of those things are objective analyses. Insomuch as we can get metrics for estimating player activity, ESO is still one of the top games in an anemic genre. I don't play it and I'm not sure why (maybe IP loyalty) but it's doing much better than almost any competitor in the Western market, including FFXIV, as far as revenue and activity are concerned. Could be cultural differences; ESO is said to have better PvP than FFXIV. Could also help that ESO, like FFXIV, can be played on consoles.

And Bethesda is not universally reviled by gamers like you're implying. Some people have a low opinion for several reasons such as 76 shaping up to be a pseudo MMO, but the normal, average, everyday Plebeian seems to have been snow jobbed by their "bro-tier" E3 presentation. I frequently see them listed these days along with Capcom as a "redeemed" company. If they insulted gamers, it wasn't enough to kill them anytime soon.

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It is crystal clear to anyone with half a brain that the only game doing well is ffxiv. and that's due to square coming out with content that the players want. working with sony to make ffxiv one of the best games both for pc and the ps4.
Once again, it is "crystal clear" to anyone who bothers to research instead of reading hot takes on /v/ and reddit that FFXIV does respectably well but is not the dominant player in the West. They are coming out with content that their players want but other games in other markets are beating them with shared attention on content you wrongly claim isn't real endgame or what gamers want.

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stay mad dude
Stop projecting. You're only kidding yourself.
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PennyAnn
09.24.2018 , 02:09 AM | #28
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This whole post made me laugh lets look at everything.

Blizzard is in full damage control mode right now. go look at the forums for wow they just released a pirate boat for a six month sub its clear theres no new content coming to wow for six months. what an epic blunder on blizzards part they had the biggest mmo in the world and now its gone.
If you are laughing, are you sure it isn't laughing at yourself? You're quoting memes as if they are facts. The WoW forums are just like the SWTOR forums: full of hysteria and bad information. Blizzard is still the biggest MMO, and the latest expansion (which is less than 2 months old itself) still has new content coming out in droves, on top of the newest raid being barely two weeks old. The 8.1 expansion has not only been announced, it will be followed up by even more content before the end of the year that will likely be announced at Blizzcon in November.

They are not in damage control mode at all. The mount that they designed to be released was data mined 3 or 4 months ago, before the expansion ever came out... that's not damage control. It's a smart reward to offer if you're looking for player retention, which always drops off after an expansion. Only this time, it hasn't been nearly as bad as other expansions. You need to get your facts straight, because what you posted is a bunch of false info.

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Andryah
09.26.2018 , 02:48 PM | #29
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If you are laughing, are you sure it isn't laughing at yourself? You're quoting memes as if they are facts. The WoW forums are just like the SWTOR forums: full of hysteria and bad information. Blizzard is still the biggest MMO, and the latest expansion (which is less than 2 months old itself) still has new content coming out in droves, on top of the newest raid being barely two weeks old. The 8.1 expansion has not only been announced, it will be followed up by even more content before the end of the year that will likely be announced at Blizzcon in November.

They are not in damage control mode at all. The mount that they designed to be released was data mined 3 or 4 months ago, before the expansion ever came out... that's not damage control. It's a smart reward to offer if you're looking for player retention, which always drops off after an expansion. Only this time, it hasn't been nearly as bad as other expansions. You need to get your facts straight, because what you posted is a bunch of false info.

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Got to give him credit for being an equal opportunity trash-critic of MMOs though.

He appears to dislike every single one, save for one.. and I bet even that love affair has a limited life span as well.
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ColorfulCaiques
09.29.2018 , 07:42 PM | #30
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oh yeah I remember, Wildstar used to be talked about so much on these forums years ago. People used to say it'd outlive this game and that it was the next evolution in MMO's or something, I guess that didn't quite happen in the end
But still, MrJurgens was right all along. Wildstar, along with GW2, Diablo III, ESO, all these great games hurt SWTOR and now look at where this game is at now. Jurgens had the last laugh. So much for some antagonists on these boards for calling him a "hater" and "troll".
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