QetraFussion Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 In the book Revan, Scourge has a vision that the Jedi Knight from SWTOR kills the Emperor... with that being said & the Emperor obviously returning this spring... what's the speculations on Sourge's vision? Was it really his? Was it just an image the Emperor forced into his mind? Will the Champion of Tython kill him again once and for all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveTheMonkeys Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 "In a sudden moment of clarity he saw the Emperor lying defeated at the feet of a powerful Jedi..." Defeated doesn't necessarily mean killed. I think his vision has come to pass, but clearly it wasn't the end of the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celise Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Scourge mentioned it himself he recognized your JK as the one who would defeat the emperor, even Orgus pointed you at scourge as a dark ally. The vision happened as it should of, the emperor was defeated, but being a force being, it was not the end of the story until Revan's bad half found him on Yavin 4 craving a return to a humanoid body and as dangerous as ever. Unless the Republic and Empire fully put aside their differences and no matter which side you take, a JK is the one that will always defeat the emperor with scourge by his side, then i cant see happening as your character is central to the storylines. besides that was apart of the JK storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olteron Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Jk did not face the true emperor. he is a pure blood sith. The guy the Jk faces is clearly human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothshark Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Jk did not face the true emperor. he is a pure blood sith. The guy the Jk faces is clearly human. Have you played the Sith Inquisitor Story? If not do not read the spoiler. Lord Vitiate, the Emperor, uses the Ritual Darth Vash tried to use, in an epic way. His original body is over 1300 years old, and is probably dust by now. He uses bodies in the same way we use clothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidothegran Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 The vision was of one of the characters of the Sequel Trilogy, not the HoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrrant Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Simple: Lord Scourge had a vision of the Knight striking down the Emperor, as happened in Jedi Knight finale, and misinterpreted the vision to mean that would be the end of the Emperor for good. Visions are not infallible. Even when they do show the absolute truth of what happened, they must be interpreted by, you know, people. People who can make mistakes. I'm just a little annoyed that Scourge hasn't said anything since the end of the JK story. Dude's gotta have an opinion about all of this fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKatarn Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Simple: Lord Scourge had a vision of the Knight striking down the Emperor, as happened in Jedi Knight finale, and misinterpreted the vision to mean that would be the end of the Emperor for good. Technically, Scourge's vision hasn't completely come to fruition yet, since one critical part hasn't manifested itself yet: "In my vision, I bowed to you and took a crown from the Emperor's head. It ended when you held his power in your hands." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exosasa Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Have you played the Sith Inquisitor Story? If not do not read the spoiler. Lord Vitiate, the Emperor, uses the Ritual Darth Vash tried to use, in an epic way. His original body is over 1300 years old, and is probably dust by now. He uses bodies in the same way we use clothing. What Zash and Vitiate did are totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKatarn Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 What Zash and Vitiate did are totally different. Indeed. Zash just attempted to transfer her life essence into another body and use it as her own in order to cheat death since her body began to give out under the corruption of the Dark Side she had endured. Vitiate on the other hand took in the life essences of an entire world, absorbing the power and life energy of millions of beings to extend his own life span and increase his own power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Indeed. Zash just attempted to transfer her life essence into another body and use it as her own in order to cheat death since her body began to give out under the corruption of the Dark Side she had endured. Vitiate on the other hand took in the life essences of an entire world, absorbing the power and life energy of millions of beings to extend his own life span and increase his own power. Yes and no, the emperor did MORE then zash. they doesn't mean the emperor's secrect to prolonging his life is not the same general ideas as what zash did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothshark Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) What Zash and Vitiate did are totally different. Indeed. Zash just attempted to transfer her life essence into another body and use it as her own in order to cheat death since her body began to give out under the corruption of the Dark Side she had endured. Vitiate on the other hand took in the life essences of an entire world, absorbing the power and life energy of millions of beings to extend his own life span and increase his own power. Think of it like this, what Vash did was an ancient but little know force 'spell', that allowed the free transfer of life essence from one being to the next. Vash like most who have used this ability use it to just jump bodies. The Emperor thought like an evil hacker, instead of using it to jump bodies, he used it to consume life forces of an entire planet. He also uses it to control others, and to jump bodies. Also it's technically similar to the force spell the inquisitor uses to capture force ghosts. Think of it like a game... (some how ironic) Level 1 Force Ghost capture Level 2 Soul transfer Level 20 Consume Planet Level 21 Emperors Children Level 60 Consume Galaxy Edited May 24, 2015 by gothshark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exosasa Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Think of it like this, what Vash did was an ancient but little know force 'spell', that allowed the free transfer of life essence from one being to the next. Vash like most who have used this ability use it to just jump bodies. The Emperor thought like an evil hacker, instead of using it to jump bodies, he used it to consume life forces of an entire planet. He also uses it to control others, and to jump bodies. Also it's technically similar to the force spell the inquisitor uses to capture force ghosts. Think of it like a game... (some how ironic) Level 1 Force Ghost capture Level 2 Soul transfer Level 20 Consume Planet Level 21 Emperors Children Level 60 Consume Galaxy No... None of that. Vitiate formed bonds and chains, controlling other bodies but still maintaining his original (up until Yavin 4, anyway). Zash tried to put everything had somewhere new, not spread outwards. Vitiate used a ten-day ritual to consume thousands of living beings. The inquisitor bonds five -dead- beings. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothshark Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 No... None of that. Vitiate formed bonds and chains, controlling other bodies but still maintaining his original (up until Yavin 4, anyway). Zash tried to put everything had somewhere new, not spread outwards. Vitiate used a ten-day ritual to consume thousands of living beings. The inquisitor bonds five -dead- beings. There is a difference. Last reply, because we are now very off topic, the only difference is size scope and use. The basic ability is the same. And I'm coming from a lore perspective here. It's like the Jedi Mind Trick, take the base ability, put more focus (and a whole lot of darkside power) and you can rewrite a persons mind. Scale and use, ability is the same. Power A, collect souls Power B, Transfer Souls Power somewhere in the middle, Collect a piece of a soul, transplant a piece of your soul. (how to make 'Emperor's Children) Power (oh my god insane), Collect all souls on a planet Power (oh my fricken god), collect all souls in a galaxy - To get here you have to start with Power A. Darth Vitiate...the Emperor is a master of Soul manipulation Force powers. Which is how he can make puppet armies, which follow his will with little or no effort. P.S. Everytime he eats a soul, his reserves get that much bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exosasa Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Last reply, because we are now very off topic, the only difference is size scope and use. The basic ability is the same. And I'm coming from a lore perspective here. It's like the Jedi Mind Trick, take the base ability, put more focus (and a whole lot of darkside power) and you can rewrite a persons mind. Scale and use, ability is the same. Power A, collect souls Power B, Transfer Souls Power somewhere in the middle, Collect a piece of a soul, transplant a piece of your soul. (how to make 'Emperor's Children) Power (oh my god insane), Collect all souls on a planet Power (oh my fricken god), collect all souls in a galaxy - To get here you have to start with Power A. Darth Vitiate...the Emperor is a master of Soul manipulation Force powers. Which is how he can make puppet armies, which follow his will with little or no effort. P.S. Everytime he eats a soul, his reserves get that much bigger. Vitiate was never a Darth. Jumped to Lord to the LAWD OF THE EMPAH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDymond Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Vitiate's ritual was like 's in the same way that a rifle is like a nuclear bomb - sure both are weapons, both use metal, and both involve and explosion, but at the end of the day there comes a point where the differences are more relevant than the similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exosasa Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Vitiate's ritual was like 's in the same way that a rifle is like a nuclear bomb - sure both are weapons, both use metal, and both involve and explosion, but at the end of the day there comes a point where the differences are more relevant than the similarities. ^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothshark Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Vitiate's ritual was like 's in the same way that a rifle is like a nuclear bomb - sure both are weapons, both use metal, and both involve and explosion, but at the end of the day there comes a point where the differences are more relevant than the similarities. Funny thing about your analogy, a Pure Fission type nuclear weapon is a gun, that makes a bomb. So yes, at the start the ability is like a gun, and the Emperor used that ability to make a fission weapon. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Gun-type_fission_weapon_en-labels_thin_lines.svg/350px-Gun-type_fission_weapon_en-labels_thin_lines.svg.png p.s. Stand corrected on the use of Darth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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