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ultimarb
09.25.2018 , 01:56 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post

You can focus a guardian through reflect + FD very easily with 2 or more people.
I dont know why but all the juggs main out there...they dont want to acknowledge or are just blind on these eyes that they are actually the flavour of the month...

This quote is just so..... ridiculous
YOU CAN FOCUS ALL CLASSES EASILY WITH TWO OR MORE CAPABLE PLAYERS THROUGH ALL KIND OF DCD

why do you think that almost 40% of each match are juggs/guardians at the moment?

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Asaxor
09.25.2018 , 02:38 AM | #52
The things that killed sin dps in PVP are:
Grand Theft Phasewalk
Removal of 30% Stun DR
Overnerfing of burst capability

Whether or not jugs have an ED that isn't effing useless has nothing to do with it.
Make sin dps great again:
give back stun DR, give back phasewalk, give back extra duplicity on low slash. Fixed.

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KendraP
09.25.2018 , 05:01 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by ultimarb View Post
I dont know why but all the juggs main out there...they dont want to acknowledge or are just blind on these eyes that they are actually the flavour of the month...

This quote is just so..... ridiculous
YOU CAN FOCUS ALL CLASSES EASILY WITH TWO OR MORE CAPABLE PLAYERS THROUGH ALL KIND OF DCD

why do you think that almost 40% of each match are juggs/guardians at the moment?
Try focusing a merc through reflect. He can deal with focus. Heck a sentinel has an actual disengage. The classes with no functional anti-focus tool are guardian and PT. And i had a match last night against 3 maras, 2 sins, a oper healer, a merc, and a sniper. Is that supposed to imply something about class balance?

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Kazz_Devlin
09.25.2018 , 03:21 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
Try focusing a merc through reflect. He can deal with focus. Heck a sentinel has an actual disengage. The classes with no functional anti-focus tool are guardian and PT. And i had a match last night against 3 maras, 2 sins, a oper healer, a merc, and a sniper. Is that supposed to imply something about class balance?
If you can consistently produce screen shots on a day to day showing the team makeups a pattern can emerge. Right now the pattern is heavy on Mercs jugs and snipers as its been for the past what year almost 2.

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KendraP
09.25.2018 , 03:31 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazz_Devlin View Post
If you can consistently produce screen shots on a day to day showing the team makeups a pattern can emerge. Right now the pattern is heavy on Mercs jugs and snipers.
We have no means of truly verifying these statistics on class makeup without our own inherant confirmation bias getting in the way. Mine as much as anyones thus the reason i do not talk about numbers of each class when talking class balance.

Besides which, i hazard a guess people still play dps sorcs too, because force lightening/palpatine, and is anyone claiming they're OP? Indeed, i had a ops group the other day with 4 dps sorcs, does that mean they're FOTM for ops? (See, confirmation bias).

Numbers without context are irrelevant. Potentially confirmation biased numbers attempting to prove a point are even more irrelevant.

You can look back through my post history from the last year, i have never once called mercs fotm. I have always said they were op defensively or something i could in fact speak to without hinting at numbers i have no way of knowing.

You will notice i also never went off on nonsensical things like bilateral vectors or talked about things i obviously had no idea how they worked like geosynchronous orbits.

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TalonVII
09.25.2018 , 04:56 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazz_Devlin View Post
awe dude please tell me you actually have read what I have been writing. I ain't saying it rises to the level of merc or sniper but it still break trinity! BUT to clarify NERF THEM ALL!
Personally I think that Juggs are in a good place. It's just assassins who are not up to par and the defenses of the Merc, most of them should be on the POWERTECH, not a Merc.

I say assassins got overnerfed and some of them should be undone.

My 2 cents. And quite frankly the "holy trinity" got broke LONG ago and EA has shown zero plans on fixing it and as such should basically be balanced along the paradigm we have going, not being shoe horned back into what once was.

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KendraP
09.25.2018 , 05:15 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post
Personally I think that Juggs are in a good place. It's just assassins who are not up to par and the defenses of the Merc, most of them should be on the POWERTECH, not a Merc.

I say assassins got overnerfed and some of them should be undone.

My 2 cents. And quite frankly the "holy trinity" got broke LONG ago and EA has shown zero plans on fixing it and as such should basically be balanced along the paradigm we have going, not being shoe horned back into what once was.

It's dead Jim. Let it be dead.
I think assassins got overnerfed and that some of them should be undone too, if BW refuses to make all dps squishier. Taking phase walk from sins was a crappy move.

I also think PT needs (probably the most) defensive help.

I also think guardians are in no way as op as mercs definsively and that is all i ever wanted to get across. Guardians lack a reliable anti-focus (but our self heal heals to full or close to it, unlike kolto). But both classes lack the reliable antifocus every other melee dps (and most ranged) classes have: sin/oper/mara stealth, merc reflect, sorc god bubble, etc.

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Kazz_Devlin
09.25.2018 , 08:53 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post
Personally I think that Juggs are in a good place. It's just assassins who are not up to par and the defenses of the Merc, most of them should be on the POWERTECH, not a Merc.

I say assassins got overnerfed and some of them should be undone.

My 2 cents. And quite frankly the "holy trinity" got broke LONG ago and EA has shown zero plans on fixing it and as such should basically be balanced along the paradigm we have going, not being shoe horned back into what once was.

It's dead Jim. Let it be dead.
Hey, I'd be happy with giving us the dmg we were doing before they decided we needed a nerf. Hell, a jug fires off his raging burst and half my health is gone! To be honest for a melee class they sure have a lot of abilities that hit at 10 meters which makes trying to kite one difficult. Even worse if they have a lot of utilities that remove roots/slows. This is my issue they can do insane dmg but aren't glass cannons we're the glass cannons and they nerf our dmg....... really dev's?

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KendraP
09.25.2018 , 09:44 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazz_Devlin View Post
Hey I'd be happy with giving us the dmg we were doing before they decided we needed a nerf . Hell a jug fires off his raging burst and half my health is gone! To be honest for a melee class they sure have a lot of abilities that hit at 10 meters which makes trying to kite one difficult. Even worse if they have a lot of utilities that remove roots/slows. This is my issue they can do insane dmg but aren't glass cannons we're the glass cannons and they nerf our dmg....... really dev's?
i think you're confusing juggs and maras, also seriously some intelligible sentences would help your case tremendously.

as someone who plays every guardian spec... if i want to pvp on focus... i swapt to my concentration sent.

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zhezvya
09.29.2018 , 11:59 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
I do not think stealth is an instant win button, anymore than I think FD is. I do think, however, that if sins had self heals to the level of FD (or worse mercs) they would be op because they also have the capability of stealthing. Like it or not, the stealth is a factor that must be balanced around. See also the king of 1v1 - operatives. (I am not jumping on any #nerfoperatives bandwagon, i am saying they are good 1v1).
https://imgur.com/a/WS1mSY2
Sins were not supposed to lose PW, 30% DR while stunned and get their damage nerfed. I'm scared to think about what BW will do if they listen to our complaints, I don't need any self heals, I'm ok with class being squishy as long as our escape/untifocus tools are ipmroved/damage buffed. Right now we have stealth, but mara's camo+pred is pretty mutch the same thing if you know whuch hole run into.

Regarding juggs- things Kendra is saying are 100% correct imo. I know you shouldnt make conclusions based on arenas, but who do you focus first nowdays? PTs---> Sins/Juggs. All will melt, sin can run once, for sure, but he has to come back to dps, right?

Juggs are usually dead meat despite buffed ED and other dcds. Comparing them to mercs is just dumb.
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