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Jedi and Sith, both wrong?

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Jedi and Sith, both wrong?

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panjakrejn
11.17.2017 , 02:18 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Celise View Post
Our passion is war, yet our reason is to destroy our enemies.
We progress by personal goals, yet remain empathic to our own empires desire.
Our clarity to follow our own way is a weapon most powerful to behold.
We will never fail.
For the benefit of the Sith Empire.
Huh?? You've lost me..

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Cuiwe
11.17.2017 , 03:59 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by casirabit View Post
A friend found something that really helped explain the Jedi Code once that I will leave here. It was really helpful for us when we did our roleplays.

Meaning of the Jedi Code phrases.

* There is no emotion, there is peace

Emotions are a natural part of living. As the great sagas have shown us, Jedi are not immune to feeling emotions. Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and Master Yoda both openly express their sorrow when they discover the death of younglings at the newly-appointed Darth Vader's hand. This tenet is not to say that emotion does not exist but that it ought to be set aside. Emotions must be understood first, and it is a young Jedi's duty to explore his feelings. Unless a Jedi can confront his thoughts and feelings, he will never achieve peace. Emotions, then, are not to be overcome or denied, but rather understood and dealt with. A'Sharad Hett reminds the young Anakin Skywalker of this during their campaigns together during the Clone Wars. Hett points out that Anakin's anger is understandable, but he must face it. This tenet could be modified to read "Emotion cannot take away my peace."

* There is no ignorance, there is knowledge

A Jedi must be circumspecting and try to understand the world that is surrounding him. That ignorance does not exist is, of course, a flat-out lie or gross misunderstanding. Ignorance is a part of life but it must not be feared. For more knowledge to light their way, the Jedi Temple Archives contains possibly the single largest source of information in the galaxy, but this tenet also reminds the Knight that knowledge can be taken from the most unusual places. The great Master Yoda demonstrated this to the young Luke Skywalker on Dagobah when he acted like a fool, and when he acted childish in front of younglings. This performance was meant to teach Luke and the younglings the simple fact: even the foolish can be wise. Indeed, while instructing younglings, Master Yoda was often heard to remark that "Truly wonderful the mind of a child is." This tenet is what gives the Jedi his open mind and ability to accept what other beings would tend to see as unacceptable. In other words, this tenet points out that often a Jedi must use not only his rational mind but also his intuitive mind in order to ascertain the truth of a situation. This tenet is embodied by Qui-Gon Jinn's statement to Anakin Skywalker to "feel, don't think." Dexter Jettster would further demonstrate this notion: "I should think you Jedi would have more respect for the difference between knowledge and wisdom."

* There is no passion, there is serenity

This tenet is essentially a repetition of the first. But this refers more directly to situations of extreme stress in which a Jedi might be tempted to react strongly. That a Jedi must draw his weapon only in defense is an expression of this tenet. While emotions and intuition must be understood and utilized in a Jedi's daily life, he must never act rashly. Passionate use of power leads to the dark side. A Jedi must always act with a calm hand and an even temper.

* There is no chaos, there is harmony

This statement reflects the cosmology of the Jedi Order. Whereas uninitiated beings see the universe as a chaotic and disconnected place, a Jedi realizes that all things are interconnected and, more importantly, interdependent. While an uninitiated being sees sorrow and tragedy in the workings of the universe, through the Force, a Jedi is able to interpret and understand even the most painful of life's events. Without this cosmology, surely the first tenets of the Jedi Code would be meaningless. After all, how could one possibly forsake love and compassion if he did not understand the truth of the universe: there is no chaos, there is harmony. Every event has a purpose. As the great Jedi Master Yoda told Anakin Skywalker once, "Death is a natural part of life." Minor inconveniences such as failure, disappointment, and disagreement are also inevitable and should be taken in stride. Jedi do not deny the fact that tragic and terrible things happen; they merely point out that tragedy is simply another part of life.

Without this tenet, all other tenets of the Jedi Code would be meaningless.

* There is no death, there is the Force

A Jedi, like many ancient feudal knights of various empires, must always be ready for death. As a warrior not only in combat but also in day-to-day life, it is easy to fail and fall. As Qui-Gon Jinn pointed out to the young Anakin Skywalker, it is quite possible to kill a Jedi, and it happens often. The sense of loss is often even greater for one who feels it with the Force. Death, however, is not a tragedy and is merely a part of the life cycle. Without death, life could not exist. The Force in us, still lives on after we die. This tenet represents a darker side of the Jedi Order, the side that accepts, indeed embraces, death, rot and corruption of corporeal forms. As such, Jedi do not fear death nor do they mourn it overmuch; a Jedi, after all, must celebrate death if he is to also celebrate life. While sources disagree on this point, it is noteworthy to point out that this tenet does not support vegetarianism among the Jedi but, some scholars argue, it does in fact support omnivorism among Jedi.This could also refer to living forever as a force ghost.
This is beautiful, but I can shorten it(and be right while at it too):

Emotion, yet Peace
Ignorance, yet Knowledge
Passion, yet Serenity
(Chaos, yet Harmony)
Death, yet the Force.

The original Jedi Code. The one that wasn't completely ruined by meddling by the likes of overzealous fools like Yoda. Also, Yoda didn't act on Dagobah. He was outright crazy because he kept punishing himself for not catching on Palpatine and letting everyone die. He merely had moments of lucidity.

Also, my own Jedi Code:

In Freedom, Balance
In Balance, Serenity
In Serenity, Peace
In Peace, Happiness
In Happiness, Focus
In Focus, the Force.
Force in everything ; the Force is the answer.
(you could cut out Happiness part, but I happen to think it's EXCEEDINGLY important)


(I guess you'll like my one better )
"I am not in this for politics, nor the wanton destruction, hell not even for credits. I have chosen this way of life because of the hunt and because it was pushed onto me on some ugly slimeball called a "pearl" and Honour bound me to this path ever onwards" Caelestinus

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Celise
11.17.2017 , 04:48 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by panjakrejn View Post
Huh?? You've lost me..
You built up your point so well, only to fall over your own code.

The Passion for war powers the Sith but the Reason to crush their enemies is never far away. For a Sith craves that from within and without, a never ending war with an enemy that wan't nothing more than to strike them down. However a Sith is nothing without their own personal goals on the path to power while always remaining empathic to the Sith empire that forged the Sith Lords. The Clarity to see the path to power is before the Sith and like any lightsaber is a weapon to be used, so are the ways of the Sith. The Sith will never fail to slay their enemies, for the benefit of the Sith empire.

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JakRoanin
11.17.2017 , 07:25 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Cuiwe View Post
This is beautiful, but I can shorten it(and be right while at it too):

Emotion, yet Peace
Ignorance, yet Knowledge
Passion, yet Serenity
(Chaos, yet Harmony)
Death, yet the Force.

The original Jedi Code. The one that wasn't completely ruined by meddling by the likes of overzealous fools like Yoda. Also, Yoda didn't act on Dagobah. He was outright crazy because he kept punishing himself for not catching on Palpatine and letting everyone die. He merely had moments of lucidity.
Okay I adore the original Code it's the perfect synthesis of what the Jedi should have been all along. But Let's be fair it wasn't Yoda's fault that the reactionary fundamentalist, and ultimately fatal regressions. Yoda was raised during that time of upheaval. I don't think it's fair to call Yoda crazy or having mere moments of lucidity. He did what he was raised to do, and carried those things to others. It's a tragedy.