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"Daily" Areas Now Grant A Weekly Mission And Lose The Area Completion Daily. Why?

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"Daily" Areas Now Grant A Weekly Mission And Lose The Area Completion Daily. Why?
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Txornisx
12.01.2017 , 03:29 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by JattaGin View Post
I am wondering the exact same thing and I'm glad I'm not the only one. Do we have an error of thought here if Ofcolombia and I think that we're still worse off than before? I don't see how we get a CXP buff with this new system compared to the previous system.
Yeah, had the same feeling yesterdays's evening, was too late to count and I left it to the morning. All my thanks to Ofcolombia for doing this already!

Exactly this, even with the tripled cxp amount for heroics/dailies it's still a nerf not a buff

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Vhaegrant
12.01.2017 , 04:11 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey folks,

Ok, let's talk about what changed in 5.6 and what is changing in 5.6.1 since they are tied together.

5.6 - In this Game Update we removed the Galactic Command interface from the game along with changing Group Finder to Activity Finder. As a part of this change some Missions were removed from the game as they were explicitly tied into either Galactic Command or Group Finder respectively. This is why the Daily Mission to send you to the those areas is no longer there. The weekly is intended to be the "wrapper" Mission for all of the dailies in that area, which is a change we made coming off of the "bugged" CXP values previously. This was a part of the steps we were taking to re-balance CXP across the game but it was missing one part...

5.6.1 - The lack of that Daily Mission means you actually get less CXP than you did previously from the Daily areas, which is not something we want. In fact, we want you to get a lot more CXP from solo Missions in the game. In Game Update 5.6.1 all of the Planetary Heroic Missions and Daily Area Missions are going to have their CXP rewards tripled to 225 CXP per Mission (up from 75).

Our goal with this change is that both Planetary Heroics and Daily Area Missions are great sources of CXP for solo players. These changes in 5.6.1 along with all of the other increased rewards for both group and solo in Activity Finder means you can gain Command Ranks quicker than ever in whatever activities you choose to play.

Thanks everyone.

-eric

PS – As an added aside… due to a separate change we made, each Planetary Heroic Mission will now also gain the bonus from the “Planetary Heroic Highlight.” Previously this only affected the mission which you gained from Galactic Command.
Thanks for the detailed response Eric.
Currently loving the Activity panel for solo content over the Galactic Command panel iteration. Being able to select the Daily area I want to run rather than hope the Galactic Command Daily button would randomly give me my favoured location is a huge advance.
I'm currently averaging 10 crates an hour which I feel is an acceptable return and makes me feel as if I'm progressing as opposed to the initial rate which disillusioned me so much to the Galactic Command system that I stopped playing.
The proposed changes to the cxp rates for the individual missions will be a welcome increase once it is combined with the token buff (also an improvement with giving out the supreme buffs in the crates, in many cases it's self sustaining), additional class buff to 100%, with all the credits sloshing about from running the missions I may even splash out on individual cxp boosts (even though it is only 10%).

All in all this version of Galactic Command progression for a solo player is within my expectations.

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Vhaegrant
12.01.2017 , 04:16 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Ofcolombia View Post
Eric,

Thanks for the update, but I still have one question. You are increasing the CXP for each mission in the daily areas by another 200% from original value, this is great, but it sounds like we are still not going to be able to get a "heroic" mission for these daily areas once the weekly is complete, or am I not understanding your post?

Here is an example of why this is still a nerf if that is the case:

CZ-198 has 5 daily missions at 75 and lets add 110% for the Legacy 10% and the 100% buff
CXP would be 790(158X5) and with the "heroic" mission from the GC window with the 110% buff of 2363 that is a total of 3153 which we could get every day, the weekly mission was a once a week bonus and that will not change.

Now with the CXP buff with 5.6.1 the total CXP for dailies at 473 per mission with the same 110% buff we will be getting 2365 each day we complete the daily set. This is a nerf of 788 CXP per day.

Again, I am not including the weekly as that has not changed.
Are you factoring in time?
I found I could have a sizable delay trying to get the final couple of daily areas I wanted to run because of the random nature of the old Galactic Command panel.

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Txornisx
12.01.2017 , 04:29 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
Are you factoring in time?
I found I could have a sizable delay trying to get the final couple of daily areas I wanted to run because of the random nature of the old Galactic Command panel.
Never took me more than a minute in a worst case to get a location I need as a last one, more like 20-40 sec usually. Before that just cycle. And as far as I know you can do all the areas first (traveling doesn't take a lot of time, there are still Priority Location Terminals covering all the old zones exc Ziost and I guess Iokath now) and after that just cycle, getting the same daily area rewards. Otherwise you can point out the time difference you wasted while running from the spawn time to Mission Terminal as well I'd still prefer cxp amount to be returned to their previous values.

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kenopaa
12.01.2017 , 05:24 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey folks,

Ok, let's talk about what changed in 5.6 and what is changing in 5.6.1 since they are tied together.

5.6 - In this Game Update we removed the Galactic Command interface from the game along with changing Group Finder to Activity Finder. As a part of this change some Missions were removed from the game as they were explicitly tied into either Galactic Command or Group Finder respectively. This is why the Daily Mission to send you to the those areas is no longer there. The weekly is intended to be the "wrapper" Mission for all of the dailies in that area, which is a change we made coming off of the "bugged" CXP values previously. This was a part of the steps we were taking to re-balance CXP across the game but it was missing one part...

5.6.1 - The lack of that Daily Mission means you actually get less CXP than you did previously from the Daily areas, which is not something we want. In fact, we want you to get a lot more CXP from solo Missions in the game. In Game Update 5.6.1 all of the Planetary Heroic Missions and Daily Area Missions are going to have their CXP rewards tripled to 225 CXP per Mission (up from 75).

Our goal with this change is that both Planetary Heroics and Daily Area Missions are great sources of CXP for solo players. These changes in 5.6.1 along with all of the other increased rewards for both group and solo in Activity Finder means you can gain Command Ranks quicker than ever in whatever activities you choose to play.

Thanks everyone.

-eric

PS – As an added aside… due to a separate change we made, each Planetary Heroic Mission will now also gain the bonus from the “Planetary Heroic Highlight.” Previously this only affected the mission which you gained from Galactic Command.
uhhh...

225 CXP per mission is not much...

when you need 5490 CXP to get one tier 4 Command Crate

2250 CXP per mission been better

hmm i remember one player here opened 30 crates and got 2 pieces of 248 armor

that is 164700 CXP

732 missions lol

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Nmyownworld
12.01.2017 , 06:11 AM | #56
Thank you for the reply, Eric Musco.

Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
5.6 - In this Game Update we removed the Galactic Command interface from the game along with changing Group Finder to Activity Finder. As a part of this change some Missions were removed from the game as they were explicitly tied into either Galactic Command or Group Finder respectively. This is why the Daily Mission to send you to the those areas is no longer there.
I don't have the techno-programming-whatever it is called knowledge about this. I'm looking at the result. I don't understand how it's possible to tie daily areas to the Activities Window, and get the transport, for weeklies. Yet, removing the weekly from the Activities Window, changing it to a daily there, is not possible. For example, the Activities Windows works for the Black Hole weekly. Yet that same Activities Window is incapable of being used for the Black Hole daily, with the weekly removed from the Activities Window. Why not have daily areas on the Activities Window, and leave the weekly on the area's mission terminal?

I'm at the same place as Ofcolombia, JattaGin and others about there seeming to still be a loss in CXP granted with 5.6.1 compared to pre-5.6. And, I'm wondering: are the 5.6 and 5.6.1 daily area changes meant to roll up the pre-5.6 CXP gains from daily areas if done, well daily, into a one time run? Not including Heroics in this, literally referring to daily areas.

Is the goal to make daily areas not worth running daily, only worth doing once a week? I'm getting the impression that the end goal is to discourage players from regularly doing daily areas, instead doing daily areas once a week. As in, you want players to do them, but not every day. If so, that's an odd perspective for "daily" areas.

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casirabit
12.01.2017 , 10:49 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Txornisx View Post
Never took me more than a minute in a worst case to get a location I need as a last one, more like 20-40 sec usually. Before that just cycle. And as far as I know you can do all the areas first (traveling doesn't take a lot of time, there are still Priority Location Terminals covering all the old zones exc Ziost and I guess Iokath now) and after that just cycle, getting the same daily area rewards. Otherwise you can point out the time difference you wasted while running from the spawn time to Mission Terminal as well I'd still prefer cxp amount to be returned to their previous values.
Glad it took you only a minute. It normally took me at least 5 minutes to find the location I wanted or when I grouped up with my boyfriend it took us 5-10 minutes to get the same location to go and do missions together so this change to finding the mission you want is greatly appreciated by us.
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Exly
12.01.2017 , 11:02 AM | #58
Eric,

I strongly suspect that you are not interested in having to actually communicate with us, and prefer to react to issues rather than communicate changes before they go live, but if you ever want to get better at your job, you just might think about how you do things, and pretend that we matter and deserve to know things that impact us as players in a timely fashion.

Of course I don't really expect you to change, but I do want you to know that I would appreciate it if you did.

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Nothing_Shines
12.01.2017 , 11:18 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Ofcolombia View Post
Eric,

Thanks for the update, but I still have one question. You are increasing the CXP for each mission in the daily areas by another 200% from original value, this is great, but it sounds like we are still not going to be able to get a "heroic" mission for these daily areas once the weekly is complete, or am I not understanding your post?

Here is an example of why this is still a nerf if that is the case:

CZ-198 has 5 daily missions at 75 and lets add 110% for the Legacy 10% and the 100% buff
CXP would be 790(158X5) and with the "heroic" mission from the GC window with the 110% buff of 2363 that is a total of 3153 which we could get every day, the weekly mission was a once a week bonus and that will not change.

Now with the CXP buff with 5.6.1 the total CXP for dailies at 473 per mission with the same 110% buff we will be getting 2365 each day we complete the daily set. This is a nerf of 788 CXP per day.

Again, I am not including the weekly as that has not changed.
^This. BW isn’t doing anyone a favor. They’ve nuked the CXP for the daily areas with 5.6 and are acting like slightly increasing the CXP after that nerf is a gift.

It’s still a nerf. Dailies are now weeklies.
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12.01.2017 , 11:19 AM | #60
Thanks Eric. Not as much as I wish it were, but it beats what we're getting.
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