Anyone find coming back to the game after watching The Force Awakens has an off feeling to it. The look of the new planets and the lack of familiar alien races like Rodians/Trandoshens/Ithorians It's as if we are playing a game based on the non-canon books and other video games that will be re-written in the Disney canon. From renaming Korriban to Moriband it's as if we here in SWTOR are denizens of an alternate reality much like JJ did with Star Trek. Based off TFA it looks like JJ would rather make his own alien races from scratch than go into ILM's archives and pull out a Devonorian. Is SWTOR the last bastion of the pre-Disney Star Wars Universe?

They're 3600 years apart, I don't think it really affects anything at all with game or its story.

 

Good for JJ that he wants to create new planets, It sort of gets boring to see the same planets in everything. All the new species was a bit overboard though when we often only saw one of each of these new species, didn't see much older ones.

 

 

But at the time of SWTOR a lot of these new species might not even have been advanced enough for space travel yet or never had opportunity to get off their own planets

go rewatch TPM and see how many races from the original trilogy are there. the only real mix of aliens we saw was in the Cantina scene. and I'd argue that showing races we already knew would have been r a bad idea there. as they wanted basicly a "modern SW canatina scene" and thus needed ODD races

SWTOR is the only thing there still running from pre-Disney though. But there's other things that are not all that different post and pre Disney. Battlefront is very OT focused. Star Wars Rebels has many familiar concepts and characters in it

It would have been ideal if they could have somehow organized a new SW MMO to launch along with the movie, but just too much work I guess. Yeah there isn't much to tie SWTOR to TFA so I won't be surprised if there are other folks who come to the game for a Star Wars fix and find it's not exactly what they were looking for. My own son is one of them.

SWTOR is the last continuing story of the Legends continuity - it is definitely an alternate universe from the Disney Canon. That's been true for over a year or so now.

 

I don't particularly see how TFA would diminish it, though. All that TFA being released means in that respect is that the Canon continuity is now really kicking into gear. I don't read Marvel comics, but I doubt many fans of the Avengers comics were feeling diminished when the Avengers movie came out just because it was set in a different continuity from the comics.

Edited December 22, 2015 by DarthDymond

Yeah there isn't much to tie SWTOR to TFA so I won't be surprised if there are other folks who come to the game for a Star Wars fix and find it's not exactly what they were looking for. My own son is one of them.

You should educate your son in proper SW , not the Disney garbage.

Tell him this is the real deal and TFA is the one he should be weary of.

Edited December 22, 2015 by Kaedusz

You should educate your son in proper SW , not the Disney garbage.

Tell him this is the real deal and TFA is the one he should be weary of.

 

That would be a lie.

There's nothing, IMHO, in TFA that "diminishes" SWTOR. As others have said, the two exist in two different eras, so they don't necessarily contradict each other, and despite TOR's "Legacy" designation, there's really nothing preventing either the movie producers or the people behind Star Wars: Rebels from adding elements from TOR into the official canon. (Hell, there's a droid in the cantina scene in TFA that looks remarkably similar to SCORPIO. Whether or not it is her (could even her programming survive after nearly 4 millennia?) is up for debate.)

There's nothing, IMHO, in TFA that "diminishes" SWTOR. As others have said, the two exist in two different eras, so they don't necessarily contradict each other, and despite TOR's "Legacy" designation, there's really nothing preventing either the movie producers or the people behind Star Wars: Rebels from adding elements from TOR into the official canon. (Hell, there's a droid in the cantina scene in TFA that looks remarkably similar to SCORPIO. Whether or not it is her (could even her programming survive after nearly 4 millennia?) is up for debate.)

 

when you step back and look at it, it's pretty clear the folks running SW right now are KOTOR fans

Diminish? No.

 

Sign a death warrant? Yes.

 

Remember, when Old Republic came out, the only place you were going to have a coherent and uncluttered narrative for Star Wars was in the Old Republic time period. Prequels were a mess of cannon and non-cannon, after Return of the Jedi things get messly and of widely varied quality fast. There was no way to make any kind of grand story in either period that EA/Bioware could write and maintain and keep a fanbase as diverse as the one for Star Wars happy. We see a lot of arguments about what's cannon, what's not cannon and just what the extended universe should be. A lot of people love it, a lot of people hate it. It's a minefield that Bioware wouldn't have wanted to wade into with LucasArts, especially since they probably couldn't even count on LucasArts to give them a coherent idea of what's going on at any period with Lucas's constant 'revisions'.

 

So they went with an MMO in the most open period of time, a few thousand years before the movies ever happened. Galaxies was already around, but it was on the severe downswing, so they had a wide open playground, especially with the popularity of KotoR which was probably the biggest thing to happen in Star Wars gaming. So Bioware went with their MMO because things were simply locked down, there weren't going to be any stories past Return of the Jedi that Lucas would consider Canon, so what was the point of trying to come up with an MMO for there, the original trilogy felt stale and old and probably didn't fit the demographics for some cubicle jockey at EA, and the Prequels weren't popular enough with fans to warrant that big a commitment.

 

Now...well, now Disney has major plans for a Star Wars universe that's post Return of the Jedi. We've got a Trilogy coming out, along with individual films based around characters coming out for years, and EA has a game licence for a decade. That covers the Trilogy probably. The Star Wars universe has been opened up and all the mess from the Extended universe got pruned away for Disney to create events and stories how they want to. So the utility of Old Republic existing in a relatively clean slate has vanished. Now it's hanging around, a remnant of the Extended universe.

 

We've had conversations on here about EA giving up on Old Republic, but maybe it's the other way around? Disney wants to get rid of something that's a decent but not exceptional game, because the need for it has passed, they want to make their own MMO set post RotJ to capitalize on the momentum that the films are going to create, but EA sank a lot of money into the Old Republic project with Bioware and they want to continue with the returns they've probably planned on having for multiple years. Perhaps it's Disney pushing for all the reductions we're seeing as a concession to EA. Basically "Fine, you can keep it for x number of years, but we want to see progress on the following..."

 

So no, it's not diminished Old Republic because the two have nothing in common really, but the Force Awakens has instead completely eliminated the need for it.

Edited December 23, 2015 by FFHAuthor

There's nothing, IMHO, in TFA that "diminishes" SWTOR. As others have said, the two exist in two different eras, so they don't necessarily contradict each other, and despite TOR's "Legacy" designation, there's really nothing preventing either the movie producers or the people behind Star Wars: Rebels from adding elements from TOR into the official canon. (Hell, there's a droid in the cantina scene in TFA that looks remarkably similar to SCORPIO. Whether or not it is her (could even her programming survive after nearly 4 millennia?) is up for debate.)

 

I THOUGHT THE SAME THING! Or perhaps a similar Droid model as we have seen in KoTFE that there are even GEMINI models similar to the SCORPIO model.

between Kylo Ren, Rakata Prime being listed on the TFA VD's map, and the whole star chart mcgriffin, I'd say SWTOR's doing pretty well. the writers of the current stuff are obviously fans of the EU

My rhetorical question to this thread is

 

Does TFA Diminish TFA?

I would say it puts SWTOR in ever greater light, because now this is the only piece of SW that lives off the EU. Everything else is gonna have Disney all over it. Edited December 24, 2015 by Kaedusz

Diminish? No.

 

Sign a death warrant? Yes.

 

Remember, when Old Republic came out, the only place you were going to have a coherent and uncluttered narrative for Star Wars was in the Old Republic time period. Prequels were a mess of cannon and non-cannon, after Return of the Jedi things get messly and of widely varied quality fast.

 

Okay. How does this work exactly. The prequels (Ep 1-3) were a mess of canon and non-canon? o.O Pretty sure, once it hit the movies, it all became canon.

I saw that that droid in the cantina, and I immediately thought of SCORPIO as well.

Okay. How does this work exactly. The prequels (Ep 1-3) were a mess of canon and non-canon? o.O Pretty sure, once it hit the movies, it all became canon.

 

Well, the Prequel time period suffered from the same thing that all of Star Wars suffered from. A character based story set in a universe that is nebulously painted in broad strokes for characters who are the focus. It got the heavy 'extended universe' treatment with books and games and cartoons because it was the biggest deal in Star Wars at the time. So the Prequel period is (like all Star Wars) defined and fleshed out by the Canon and Non-Canon, which can be at total odds with each other.

To Clarify bit more Star Wars since Disney accuired became a Multiverse this allows the creation of more stories that doesnt affect main continuity.

 

Main Universe = Old G cannon+Disney Cannon

Secondary Universe = Disney Approved Legends Cannon

Third Universe = SWTOR universe

Edited December 26, 2015 by Nerithiel

Well, the Prequel time period suffered from the same thing that all of Star Wars suffered from. A character based story set in a universe that is nebulously painted in broad strokes for characters who are the focus. It got the heavy 'extended universe' treatment with books and games and cartoons because it was the biggest deal in Star Wars at the time. So the Prequel period is (like all Star Wars) defined and fleshed out by the Canon and Non-Canon, which can be at total odds with each other.

 

But the prequel wasn't a mess of non canon. Whatever was in it, was canon.

-duplicate post- Edited December 26, 2015 by DarthDymond

Okay. How does this work exactly. The prequels (Ep 1-3) were a mess of canon and non-canon? o.O Pretty sure, once it hit the movies, it all became canon.

I believe s/he's just using "prequels" as short-hand for the general era / time period, not specifically the movies themselves - I found it a bit confusing at first, too, but in context of the post, his/her point was about the various eras across the Star Wars lore.

 

S/he was saying that the Prequel Era (Rise of the Empire / Clone Wars Era) and the Post-RotJ Era (New Republic Era and beyond) were both messy because of the overlapping G-Canon and C-Canon stuff, but that the Old Republic Era did not have that problem because there was just the one, coherent (C-Canon) narrative.