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Neat capping in stealth trick

Rafiknoll's Avatar

08.13.2018 , 06:11 AM | #11
I am with Trixxie there. There is a fine line between "doing something not exactly as intended because it is better than what BioWare originally planned" and "using a clearly unintended bug to gain an advantage other people who are unaware of that bug".

In the 1st one (I will use acc for example), the fact that accuracy is not so useful in PVP is nothing unintended by BW, it simply results in that there are better things to do with stats. Players saw how the game works, did some math and came up with some min-maxing which is different than what BW originally planned. It is an unintended usage of existing known and intended mechanics. This is within the game rules, just as a guy who plays chess might develop a tactic which is better than the one of the inventors of chess, or a raider can develop a boss tactic easier than what BW planned.

In the 2nd one, there is a bug in the system, unintended by the programmers of the game. Using it is like using a non-existent move in chess (but unlike in the analogy, your opponent can't just stop you and tell you that you are breaking the rules and should stop). It is like hiding cards in your sleeves. This is considered exploiting and should be treated just like the people who use the "sell at a higher cost than the buy cost" bugs - severely. [And of course, the bug enabling it should be corrected as soon as possible].

TrixxieTriss's Avatar

08.14.2018 , 11:20 PM | #12
Here’s an example of another bug being that is being used to gain an advantage, hence being exploited. (Read down the thread and you will see what can happen)

I’m not sure if people have noticed, but EA have updated the Terms of Service in May 2028.

Looks like EA/Bioware updated their terms of service back in May 2018 which better define the rules of conducts, especially with regards to harassment and cheating and general conduct in the game.
One would hope that are actually going to enforce these rules and punishments for severe violations, ie hackers can have their EA accounts terminated. I would hope this is what will now happen the first time they get caught.


Rules of Conduct

When you access or use an EA Service, you agree that you will not:
Violate any law, rule or regulation.
Interfere with or disrupt any EA Service or any server or network used to support or provide an EA Service, including any hacking or cracking into an EA Service.
Use any software or program that damages, interferes with or disrupts an EA Service or another's computer or property, such as denial of service attacks, spamming, hacking, or uploading computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, cancelbots, spyware, corrupted files and time bombs.
Interfere with or disrupt another player's use of an EA Service. This includes disrupting the normal flow of game play, chat or dialogue within an EA Service by, for example, using vulgar or harassing language, being abusive, excessive shouting (all caps), spamming, flooding or hitting the return key repeatedly.
Harass, threaten, bully, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.
Contribute UGC or organize or participate in any activity, group or guild that is inappropriate, abusive, harassing, profane, threatening, hateful, offensive, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invades another's privacy, or is otherwise reasonably objectionable.

Publish, post, upload or distribute UGC or content that is illegal or that you don't have permission to freely distribute.
Publish, post, upload or distribute any content, such as a topic, name, screen name, avatar, persona, or other material or information, that EA (acting reasonably and objectively) determines is inappropriate, abusive, hateful, harassing, profane, defamatory, threatening, hateful, obscene, sexually explicit, infringing, privacy-invasive, vulgar, offensive, indecent or unlawful.
Post a message for any purpose other than personal communication. Prohibited messages include advertising, spam, chain letters, pyramid schemes and other types of solicitation or commercial activities.
Impersonate another person or falsely imply that you are an EA employee or representative.
Improperly use in-game support or complaint buttons or make false reports to EA staff.
Attempt to obtain, or phish for, a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on EA Services.
Use any robot, spider or other automated device or process to access this website for any purpose or copy any material on this website.
Use or distribute unauthorized software programs or tools, such as "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs, "cheat utility" software program or applications, exploits, cheats, or any other game hacking, altering or cheating software or tool.
Modify any file or any other part of the EA Service that EA does not specifically authorize you to modify.
Use exploits, cheats, undocumented features, design errors or problems in an EA Service.

Use or distribute counterfeit software or EA Content, including EA Virtual Currency.
Attempt to use an EA Service on or through any service that is not controlled or authorized by EA.
Sell, buy, trade or otherwise transfer or offer to transfer your EA Account, any personal access to EA Services, or any EA Content associated with your EA Account, including EA Virtual Currency and other Entitlements, either within an EA Service or on a third party website, or in connection with any out-of-game transaction, unless expressly authorized by EA.
Use an EA Service in a country in which EA is prohibited from offering such services under applicable export control laws.
If an EA Service requires you to create a "user name" or a "persona" to represent you in game and online, you should not use your real name and may not use a user name or persona that is used by someone else or that EA determines is vulgar or offensive or violates someone else's rights.
Engage in any other activity that significantly disturbs the peaceful, fair and respectful gaming environment of an EA Service.
Use information about users publicly available in any EA Service (e.g. on a leaderboard) for any purpose unrelated to the Service, including to attempt to identify such users in the real world.
Promote, encourage or take part in any prohibited activity described above.
If you or someone using your EA Account violates these rules and fails to remedy this violation after a warning, EA may take action against you, including revoking access to certain or all EA Services, Content or Entitlements, or terminating your EA Account as described in Section 8. In case of severe violations, EA may take these actions without issuing a prior warning. Some examples of severe violations include, but are not limited to: promoting, encouraging or engaging in hacking, selling EA accounts or entitlements (including virtual currencies and items) without EA’s permission, extreme harassment, or threatening illegal activities. When practical, EA will notify you of the action it will take in response to violations of these rules or breach of this Agreement.

Specific EA Services may post additional rules that apply to your conduct on those services.

If you encounter another user who is violating any of these rules, please report this activity to EA using the "Help" or "Report Abuse" functions in the relevant EA Service, if available, or contact Customer Support at
Full TOS link.

This TOS is now black and white as to what constitutes a violation.
I know from now on I will be copying the appropriate section of the TOS and adding it to any reports I make in case CS haven’t read up on the updated TOS. That way there can no confusion as to what is and isn’t an offence.
It also looks like theyve finally made the use of macros black and white. Meaning the use of them is no longer a gray area. It specifically says it’s a violation.

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08.15.2018 , 01:23 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
I’m not sure if people have noticed, but EA have updated the Terms of Service in May 2028.
Oh great, we only have 10 years left before they start enforcing this stuff.
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Rafiknoll's Avatar

08.15.2018 , 03:51 AM | #14
For those too lazy to reach through all the marked areas, here is what I would consider the primary concern in this thread:

"Use exploits, cheats, undocumented features, design errors or problems in an EA Service."