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The Fallen Empire storyline is dumb.

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The Fallen Empire storyline is dumb.

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JasonPogo
06.04.2016 , 01:58 PM | #1
My problem is they make a huge point of how Arcann and his sister found this new way to use the force that is SO much better than the Jedi or Sith and we need to learn to beat them. But then everything they show of Arcann and his sister they are just spoiled brats that act like short sighted Sith. They don't even try to make them seem like something more.
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Teriaon
06.04.2016 , 03:16 PM | #2
But But But we needed a magical weapon of +5 brat slaying to beat them, so they must be super strong and magical. No you are right, it is lousy story telling, I am all for the posibility of them being powerful, but they should try to explain why, and not that vauge ***** that we were delt in chapter 12.

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Analyst
06.05.2016 , 07:47 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by JasonPogo View Post
My problem is they make a huge point of how Arcann and his sister found this new way to use the force that is SO much better than the Jedi or Sith
Are you sure that they are completely correct? After all, as far as I know, the authors have told us nothing about it.
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Audoucet
06.05.2016 , 08:17 AM | #4
Arcann is NOTHING more than a powerful dark Jedi. The entire BS about them following a new path is nothing but crap unsupported by the actual story.

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Slerdnico
06.05.2016 , 08:24 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Teriaon View Post
No you are right, it is lousy story telling, I am all for the posibility of them being powerful, but they should try to explain why, and not that vauge ***** that we were delt in chapter 12.
Don't you mean 13, because 12 was Disavowed and 13 was visions in the dark.

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TalonVII
06.05.2016 , 09:03 AM | #6
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Don't you mean 13, because 12 was Disavowed and 13 was visions in the dark.
13 was profit and plunder, you know before number 14 Mandalore's revenge. Or can you not count?
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BlazeTomahawk
06.05.2016 , 11:38 AM | #7
I don't think Arcann and Vaylin are the ones following a new path. It's pretty well stated that the Knights are the ones who find strength and focus through loyalty to the Emperor. Th e don't suffer from the moral ambiguity of the light and dark sides because they aren't (in their minds) responsible. They give themselves over to the will of the Emperor completely. They are religious fanatics. They Are the righteous in a sea of unbelievers

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MidnightTrooper
06.05.2016 , 02:48 PM | #8
Dont understand why they keep telling us they are more powerful as you do have to fight Arcann twice in the story & both time you have to wear him down & my character still had full health when I did. Does not seem more powerful to me if I can beat him down to fifty percent health while I still have full health.

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Mykra
06.05.2016 , 02:52 PM | #9
I need to see how the story ends before I can really say if I loved or hated it. The first nine chapters were excellent, after that it's been a real up and down kind of ride.

All this talk about a new path of the Force has been very confusing. The Knights I latched onto the idea quickly enough, and thought it was neat, as they were kind of like the Sorcerer-Kings and their followers from Dark Sun (or even just how Paladins operate in the DnD setting with their Deity.). However, Arcann and Vailyn have obviously just been Sith which is in line with Valkie warning you that they are such a danger to Zakuul and the galaxy as a whole because of their complete lack of discipline and control, and Satele and Marr keep talking about a new path they are discovering but give you absolutely nothing to back it up with. I would go as far as to say Visions was just another Light/Dark Side chapter. Nothing in it felt like you were following a different path than what's been presented as the Force. And then you have the Scions, who they tried to make as yet another Voss-like Grey mystic path, who have been in the background the entire time. At least Senya lets you know that unlike the Voss (or what the Voss claim) that their visions aren't always foolproof, and the fact the Scions don't accept this is their biggest weakness.

Yeah, I can just talk in circles over and over about this, but I need to see the end of it to be able to see if it was going somewhere good, or if it was like Lost and was off the rails pretty much from the beginning.
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Zackaroth
06.06.2016 , 09:43 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Mykra View Post
I need to see how the story ends before I can really say if I loved or hated it. The first nine chapters were excellent, after that it's been a real up and down kind of ride.

All this talk about a new path of the Force has been very confusing. The Knights I latched onto the idea quickly enough, and thought it was neat, as they were kind of like the Sorcerer-Kings and their followers from Dark Sun (or even just how Paladins operate in the DnD setting with their Deity.). However, Arcann and Vailyn have obviously just been Sith which is in line with Valkie warning you that they are such a danger to Zakuul and the galaxy as a whole because of their complete lack of discipline and control, and Satele and Marr keep talking about a new path they are discovering but give you absolutely nothing to back it up with. I would go as far as to say Visions was just another Light/Dark Side chapter. Nothing in it felt like you were following a different path than what's been presented as the Force. And then you have the Scions, who they tried to make as yet another Voss-like Grey mystic path, who have been in the background the entire time. At least Senya lets you know that unlike the Voss (or what the Voss claim) that their visions aren't always foolproof, and the fact the Scions don't accept this is their biggest weakness.

Yeah, I can just talk in circles over and over about this, but I need to see the end of it to be able to see if it was going somewhere good, or if it was like Lost and was off the rails pretty much from the beginning.
I like the Knight idea because it gives them an easy way to be somewhat netural without resorting to the "GREY IS PERFECT" motif you sometimes saw in the old EU or terrible fan fictions. They even acknowledge it has weaknesses in the second chapter. But I agree this new path thing is confusing and very...cobbled together. This is a problem I noticed in the EU is that when someone tries to introduce a new of using the force that isn't light or dark side, its ham fisted in and presented as a "superior" way of using The Force when Star Wars from the start has always been a space opera about Good vs Evil and Light Vs Dark.