HELLCAMAWALKN Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 When we get the new level cap Bioware will be changeing skill trees as well, I am sure that all of you that complain will have a new complaint about something else that makes you suck at PVP. So if you read this please chill out and wait for the expansion. Food for thought.... a hybrid spec shadow and alot of other build/classes can put up alot higher damage numbers than focus spec guardians and juggs. You can balance the classes but you cant balance the people playing them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterone Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Actually they can't. I've played a pyro PT, all specs of Assassin and a rage marauder, among other classes. You know how you can tell a good PT? He'll do about 20% more damage than the second best score in the game. You know how you know a good Rage player? He'll have double the second best's score. That's the potential damage of the spec. If you're not doing at least 50% more damage than an Assassin you're slacking and can work some more on bettering your game. Personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Nerf shadows too, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 When we get the new level cap Bioware will be changeing skill trees as well, I am sure that all of you that complain will have a new complaint about something else that makes you suck at PVP. So if you read this please chill out and wait for the expansion. Food for thought.... a hybrid spec shadow and alot of other build/classes can put up alot higher damage numbers than focus spec guardians and juggs. You can balance the classes but you cant balance the people playing them What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGLYMRJ Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 "damage numbers"??? No... hands down rage/focus is putting up the highest damage numbers over all in war zones. If you argued that many other classes can put up higher SINGLE TARGET damage... then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainApop Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Rage/focus as it is will be amusing if/when they get access to unremitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naej Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The problem with smash spec isn't about 1v1. It's about multiple Rage spec jumping and insta-killing a group of up to 5. If it wasn't auto-crit, you'd have a chance, but AoE auto-crit of 5K X 3-4 players = 15k hp gone in 1 GCD on multiple people. If 3-4 PT wanna focus you, fine. It still won't be AoE, 1 people will die. You can't nerf focus fire, but Smash as it is now is like focus fire for the noobs. Plus don't forget that a well speced Jugg will have 4 sec of immunity and 20% dmg reduction after a leap, making them impossible to CC or control before the have the time to unleash the Smash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharterMonkKent Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Fact. 500k on my rage jugg means nothing compared to 650k on my PT. I'm playing my rage jugg now because I'm building a tank set for spec switching. If I wanted to be more effective as a dps in WZs I would be playing my PT or my shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HELLCAMAWALKN Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 A good hybrid spec shadow can put up 700-800k damage in a warzone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Nate Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) A good hybrid spec shadow can put up 700-800k damage in a warzone So can a bad rage jugg so that argument seems null to me. Personally, I'm fine with smashers. There just needs to be other options for people to view as worthy of rolling to thin out the WZs being stacked with them. While there are some other options, nothing is more appealing to a bad PvP player than the ability to put out these numbers and hide behind them claiming they are something they aren't, talented... While other character builds fall under this same assumption, it's not as apparent as the rage specand thus we are overcrowded with them. Sure some other classes can put out these numbers so why aren't they as abundant? Edited January 16, 2013 by Master_Nate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharterMonkKent Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) meh Edited January 16, 2013 by CharterMonkKent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HELLCAMAWALKN Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 So can a bad rage jugg so that argument seems null to me. Lies, you obviously don't and have never played a guardian / jugg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sowwy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) A good hybrid spec shadow can put up 700-800k damage in a warzone This is nonsense. Big numbers from any class requires time on target which means healing. More healing is more time is more damage. Having said as much, a good smasher WILL dominate the field and the score board. And because its an AOE, guaranteed crit with a DMG multiplier, stacking multiple smashers is not only imbalanced, it's flat out broken. No other reasonable conclusion can be drawn. Edited January 16, 2013 by Sowwy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharterMonkKent Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 This is nonsense. Big numbers from any class requires time on target which means healing. More healing is more time is more damage. Having said as much, a good smasher WILL dominate the field and the score board. And because its an AOE, guaranteed crit with a DMG multiplier, stacking multiple smashers is not only imbalanced, it's flat out broken. No other reasonable conclusion can be drawn. Dominate the score board sure, but not the field. PT Pyro is still the number 1 damage dealer in the field. The number of smashers (respecs+ original specs+new rollers) in pugs is causing most of the complaints. You can call it broken, but it's just popular. Before 1.4 rage was pretty much a jugg only spec. The changes made it viable for an already powerful AC with a huge population, maras. An adjustment will happen, but I doubt they will break the class. The dps will still be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totaltrash Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 This is nonsense. Big numbers from any class requires time on target which means healing. More healing is more time is more damage. Having said as much, a good smasher WILL dominate the field and the score board. And because its an AOE, guaranteed crit with a DMG multiplier, stacking multiple smashers is not only imbalanced, it's flat out broken. No other reasonable conclusion can be drawn. This is correct! Also, forum damage numbers are always grossly inflated, but the fact is that smashers dominate the total damage output atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varoncodebot Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 smash deals some of the highest damage in the game. u saying other pvp'ers suck means that ur probably a newbie that uses ur smash jugg and can't handle the pressure of actually having a challenge fighting someone without smashing and killing him/her in 5.67secs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anosa Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 When we get the new level cap Bioware will be changeing skill trees as well, I am sure that all of you that complain will have a new complaint about something else that makes you suck at PVP. So if you read this please chill out and wait for the expansion. Food for thought.... a hybrid spec shadow and alot of other build/classes can put up alot higher damage numbers than focus spec guardians and juggs. You can balance the classes but you cant balance the people playing them we have a while before the expansion comes out. i will not be waiting months for a class balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGLYMRJ Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) we have a while before the expansion comes out. i will not be waiting months for a class balance. Edited January 16, 2013 by UGLYMRJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anosa Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 You're going to stop playing EVERY MMO? this is a game breaking OP in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGLYMRJ Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) this is a game breaking OP in my eyes. Definitely not the biggest balance problem I've seen in an MMO... maybe over reacting a little considering the time line? It's not like it's been this way since release and the dev's have addressed it somewhat. Edited January 16, 2013 by UGLYMRJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anosa Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Definitely not the biggest balance problem I've seen in an MMO... maybe over reacting a little considering the time line? It's not like it's been this way since release and the dev's have addressed it somewhat. its been like this for too long though. a OP skill like this should be addressed and fixed within 60 days of it being first reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGLYMRJ Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 its been like this for too long though. a OP skill like this should be addressed and fixed within 60 days of it being first reported. Agree to disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anosa Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Agree to disagree? sure, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGLYMRJ Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 sure, why not. Or we can always join the forum majority.... call each other bads, kid and finish our comments with L2P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DariusCalera Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Definitely not the biggest balance problem I've seen in an MMO... maybe over reacting a little considering the time line? It's not like it's been this way since release and the dev's have addressed it somewhat. But other classes that were deemed to be OP were nerfed within a couple weeks. Not months down the line. My theory as to why they have not received adjustment is simply the F2P option of SWTOR now. Since it is a game based on the SW universe, the chances are that anyone wanting to try out the game is going to roll a jedi/sith. To keep these individuals motivated and possibly hook them on pvp they need to have a class that is high in defense, high in damage numbers, and relatively easy to play. Yes, a really good smasher is obvious to everyone, but even someone that has had a relatively short time in playing their toon can put up numbers that are comparative to other classes. Smashers won't be adjusted until the F2P population stabilizes which probably won't happen until the xpac. However, how many people will sit and wait for a possible readjustment that might take another 3-4 months to get here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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