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Is it just me, or does EC SM need nerfing again?

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Is it just me, or does EC SM need nerfing again?

AndrewAlberts's Avatar

11.14.2017 , 04:57 PM | #1
I tried running EC SM through GF. It was one of the most insufferable, nightmarish times I have ever had. I accept that EC's bosses may require more thinking than the average raid, but some things still need changing imo. The electric arcs Stormcaller spits out and the enrage timers for the minefield droids have to go. They have NO place in SM and my raid couldn't tell the difference between SM and Master Mode. I am starting to see why EC is so unpopular in comparison to other ops.

RikuvonDrake's Avatar

11.14.2017 , 06:37 PM | #2
I have to disagree, the Lightning Arcs from Stormcaller is quite a simple mechanic, only one person needs to kinda "kite" them for a short duration, and you can even stand in one/two of them for several seconds without dying. It's true that the enrage on the minefield droids isn't optimal, I have seen it once or twice when we successfully managed to four-amn that boss, at the same time perhaps that is a good wakeup call for the DPS to reconsider the DPS:ing capabilities and work to improve, in particular now that you only need to kill two droids.

Going through each boss, Zorn/Toth you can stack on top of each other and just AoE down, no mechanic at all to consider (red circles do 20% of your health at bolstered HP), Firebrand/Stormcaller where tho most complex mechanic is trying to jump up on the tanks and not failing that (I can so relate) and the minefield where you in reality just need at least two people with a brain (one in tower and one clicking mines) and you will be fine.

That said, the final boss has a few less optimal mechanics, in particular, the Trenchcutters and the Pulsar Droid have mechanics that I feel are not illustrated clearly enough, in particular, the Pulsar droids, how does that mechanic say "stand on top of the droids"? Simultaneously, at this point, that operation is hardly unknown territory for most players and even if it is, a veteran player can just help with tactics and then it's up to the new player if they will follow it or not.

In the end tho, SM is meant to be super easy mode and it's true that even groups like yours should be able to clear it without any issues, wipes are technically fine, you cannot expect to one-shot it as a group of inexperienced players, but perhaps some readjusts are needed to allow even groups like yours to clear it.

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godsuxx's Avatar

11.14.2017 , 10:58 PM | #3
Are you mental?

Game is easy enough as it is.... da f u q?

Just join a good group and clear it... ez.

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11.15.2017 , 12:02 AM | #4
I think at some point we players need to recognize that if we can't do something it's on us to get better and not on the game to become easier (again...).
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11.15.2017 , 12:51 AM | #5
ROFL, you cant be serious! You cant tell difference between Story and Master mode?? Well go try Master mode, they you will surely be able to tell the difference!
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nepochop's Avatar

11.15.2017 , 01:21 AM | #6
OMG Please dont give the Devs stupid ideas! No more nerfs to content please!!

Exocor's Avatar

11.15.2017 , 03:55 AM | #7
Short answere: It's just you.
Long answere: EC is, compared to EV and KP a bit more difficult. However, read a guide if you don't have any clue about it. That's what we'd done in the good old times.
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iFenris's Avatar

11.15.2017 , 04:54 AM | #8
Yes, let's go ahead and make the SM content even easier, great idea!.
Okay in all seriousness, it's just you, EC in SM is easy enough as is, Stormcaller is easy, as one mentioned above you just need one person "kiting" the Lightning Arcs and you're done.

PanVlk's Avatar

11.15.2017 , 05:01 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewAlberts View Post raid couldn't tell the difference between SM and Master Mode...
I guess none of you ever did EC HM or Nim, at least since 3.x, right? If you did, you could certainly tell the difference.
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Gallandaeus's Avatar

11.15.2017 , 05:07 AM | #10
I had a good chuckle. You'll either learn or surrender to your initial frustrations. Such is life.