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UNDER not circumstances do not remove 200/100 win requirement for team ranked

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UNDER not circumstances do not remove 200/100 win requirement for team ranked

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JediMasterAlex
04.13.2020 , 11:53 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
They connected. The awful childish behaviors along with the vote kicks, along with the win trades, along with the harassment, along with the cheats, that's just it. It's all connected. Sorry you fail to grasp that detail.
Do you have any evidence for that statement whatsoever? Of course not. You just made it up out of thin air like most of your claims about ranked lol

They are two separate issues, just to clarify the point for you.

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Sertar
04.14.2020 , 09:51 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
They are two separate issues, just to clarify the point for you.
Once again you guys are both right and wrong. Flaming, insulting and vote kicking „noobs“ („bads“) is unacceptable but doesn’t automatically involve cheating.

However, cheating (or cheating accusations) are a source for a lot of the insults and hate that is happening, and I have definitely seen vote kick being used for match manipulation. Many vote kicks on the other hand are hitting the people that deserve them (obvious wintraders).

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JediMasterAlex
04.14.2020 , 09:57 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Sertar View Post
However, cheating (or cheating accusations) are a source for a lot of the insults and hate that is happening, and I have definitely seen vote kick being used for match manipulation. Many vote kicks on the other hand are hitting the people that deserve them (obvious wintraders).
On SF? This season, I haven't seen any cheating/wintrading associated with the toxicity/kicking (except for one wintrader early in the season who happened to reset or delete the toon that he did it on lol). I can't remember the last time I saw a wintrading accusation either. I've only heard of such things happening on DM.

There seems to be such a divergence now that it really requires clarification between SF and DM when posting in threads like this.

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Lhancelot
04.14.2020 , 01:11 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
On SF? This season, I haven't seen any cheating/wintrading associated with the toxicity/kicking (except for one wintrader early in the season who happened to reset or delete the toon that he did it on lol). I can't remember the last time I saw a wintrading accusation either. I've only heard of such things happening on DM.

There seems to be such a divergence now that it really requires clarification between SF and DM when posting in threads like this.
JediAl is like Moses to water only it's not water that parts way around him, it's all malevolent gamesmanship! (This includes win trading, vote kicking, match throwing, and any other form of match manipulation that these fellows have found that we aren't even aware of yet!)

Seriously. You truly have a blessed SWTOR life all forms of bad avoid you! lol.
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KendraP
04.14.2020 , 01:52 PM | #125
I play on SF, and haven't replied so far because
1. I didn't want to be ridiculed here
2. My sample size is statistically meaningless and ergo cannot support any argument as to trends in solo ranked

That said, I have done about 6 SR matches on probably 3 different toons since 6.0 dropped.

Once I was vote kicked for not playing a "real" class
Twice, I was told i should learn to play an actual class that wasn't overly easy. (Like seriously, their protest wasn't that guardians suck, it was that it was too easy to play and thus, shouldn't be allowed in SR).
The other 3 times I was called names and cursed at.

I won 4 of these matches. But seriously, why would I want to continue this game mode when my personal experience with it has been a dumpster fire. Again, I'm not pretending to speak for the format as a whole. My 6 matches cannot illustrate any kind of larger scale conclusion. But on a personal level, I have better things to do with my time than deal with those situations.

When responding, please consider that I am explicitly not using this to draw any kind of conclusion about the format. I am simply stating why I, personally, do not choose to get more involved in the format.

As for team ranked, I don't have a team. I have a 2-3 person guild.

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Lhancelot
04.14.2020 , 02:05 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
I play on SF, and haven't replied so far because
1. I didn't want to be ridiculed here
2. My sample size is statistically meaningless and ergo cannot support any argument as to trends in solo ranked

That said, I have done about 6 SR matches on probably 3 different toons since 6.0 dropped.

Once I was vote kicked for not playing a "real" class
Twice, I was told i should learn to play an actual class that wasn't overly easy. (Like seriously, their protest wasn't that guardians suck, it was that it was too easy to play and thus, shouldn't be allowed in SR).
The other 3 times I was called names and cursed at.

I won 4 of these matches. But seriously, why would I want to continue this game mode when my personal experience with it has been a dumpster fire. Again, I'm not pretending to speak for the format as a whole. My 6 matches cannot illustrate any kind of larger scale conclusion. But on a personal level, I have better things to do with my time than deal with those situations.

When responding, please consider that I am explicitly not using this to draw any kind of conclusion about the format. I am simply stating why I, personally, do not choose to get more involved in the format.

As for team ranked, I don't have a team. I have a 2-3 person guild.
That's someone else (another someone else) besides me that has expressed these types of problems. How about that Al? Like I said, it seems you somehow just avoid all of these kinds of scenarios. Lucky you.
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snave
04.14.2020 , 02:12 PM | #127
Where would the dev team be without Lhancelot and Trixxie telling them how to fix their game.

God bless you both.

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JediMasterAlex
04.14.2020 , 03:35 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
JediAl is like Moses to water only it's not water that parts way around him, it's all malevolent gamesmanship! (This includes win trading, vote kicking, match throwing, and any other form of match manipulation that these fellows have found that we aren't even aware of yet!)

Seriously. You truly have a blessed SWTOR life all forms of bad avoid you! lol.
Yep. Over a thousand games this season. I'm an inside source that you could rely on for actual information about the state of solo ranked, but you seem much more interested in the fantasies in your head.

Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
When responding, please consider that I am explicitly not using this to draw any kind of conclusion about the format. I am simply stating why I, personally, do not choose to get more involved in the format.
This is fair enough, but you're slightly underselling the fact that you're only queueing on a dps guardian (correct me if I'm wrong on that). That doesn't justify any abuse for it, but when you play a class at the very bottom of the meta, in any online game, you have to expect that people will complain about it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
That's someone else (another someone else) besides me that has expressed these types of problems. How about that Al? Like I said, it seems you somehow just avoid all of these kinds of scenarios. Lucky you.
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
My sample size is statistically meaningless and ergo cannot support any argument as to trends in solo ranked
Also, what Kendra described sounds plausible to me. None of what she mentioned has anything to do with cheating or wintrading. That kind of toxicity can happen on occasion. Playing dps jugg in solo ranked is difficult because it's the worst class right now.

I played about 6 games last night. Every game was virtually the same. Everyone loaded in. Someone called a strat/kill order (usually me). Both teams played hard to win. When the match was over everyone left. In the vast majority of ranked matches on SF very little is said and the matches proceed normally. The problems really only happen when people come in undergeared or are constantly getting globaled. Even some of the more toxic people seem to have calmed down a bit lately.

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Lhancelot
04.14.2020 , 08:27 PM | #129
I think a lot of what we see as far as bad behavior on behalf of the toxic ranked players is them not realizing that they are only killing the game mode they enjoy the best.

The little gratification and enjoyment they get by trolling/acting asinine/vote kicking, whatever it may be in the long run it's hardly worth ruining the entire game mode for only a few individuals enjoyment yet here we are seeing just that.

These individuals are definitely at fault for the shambles ranked is in now, however I have long held BW responsible too.

BW has continued to let this freak show continue on down the path it goes, it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Bioware! Just gut it like you gut everything else and revamp it! The one system in the game you have not touched is the one that most needs to be gutted and reinstalled: The scoring system for ranked.

I won't pretend to have the answer as to what would be best, but one thing I do know is Bioware probably already has a plan for ranked, too. They have not come out and said it, but it's about that time. It's time for ranked to get touched up. Revamped, redone, whatever you want to call it.

I imagine it's going to be something really wild, they seem to have extreme ideas whenever they remove one old system and implement a new one, so who knows what Bioware has in store for ranked next? I think it's going to be substantial though.
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Nickodemous
04.15.2020 , 04:50 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by DavidAtkinson View Post
On darth malgus I had people telling me that some ranked players sit on discord and just kind of control the scene. I don't know what this means, nor do I care if it's true or not, I am telling you what others have told me and I have some chats with one or two ranked players on discord who say that player x, or player y wintrades with player c, and player d . Again, I have no idea if these are true or not. This is what people talk about . I
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