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The weird people you meet in Group Finder.


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eabevella
Yesterday , 10:17 PM | #10071
As a fairly new player, the attitude of the ""new"" players are terrible.

Example 1:
I was leveling my ~lv55 merc tank (didn't realize I haven't got all classes to lv75). Got D7 with at least one lv75.
The group clearly have no idea where they should go, can't follow kill order, pull trash multiple times when I lead and zip-zapping through the map. But that's ok, I always went back for them, taunting the trash they accidentally pulled away from them, and saved their asses multiple times.
When we were going through the last part, where you can run through 2 groups of trash that spawned, I waited for everyone before the triggering point, ran together, and when unsurprisingly, they were too slow and aggroed the trash, I ran back, group taunt the trash to save them.
THE *********** RAN AWAY AND LEFT ME TO DIE. I struggled for about 30 sec and none of them thought of going back to kill the big group they aggroed??
AND THEN THEY HAD THE NERVE TO THROW ME A "JUST RUN" WHEN I SAID "IT'S NICE THAT NO ONE COME BACK AND SAVE ME".

I should let them *********** wipe. They would wipe at least 5 times if I was not around. **** them.

Example 2:
Cademimu. 4 lv75. 2 Jugg tanks. 2 Snipers (me and the other)
Should be a piece of cakes right?
One of the tank kept aggroing everything. And I mean everything. LITERALLY.
He was clearly not 306 geared, he didn't los, no guard, no nothing, just jump at random trash in the corner when we were avoiding it, got himself and us almost killed multiple times.
The other sniper typed -_- and o_o every time the tank pulled another random trash. I finally fed up before the first boss and vote kicked him. Vote went through fast.
The guy got kicked whispered me saying "you are not very nice, I'm new to this game"
I said "when I was new, I didn't pull ****" (tbh I thought he was the kind of jerk who aggros everything for kicks)
He had the audacity to say something like "I pulled but no one died I don't see what's wrong"
WE DIDN'T DIE BECAUSE WE HAVE 3 OTHER LV75, ONE OF WHICH WAS A TANK, AND THE TWO DPS WERE FULLY GEARED AND KNEW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. If he's with a team who were new or simply too low a level to handle the big groups with elite droids, that's guaranteed wipe, multiple times, and that's a fact. I told him so and he stayed silent after that.

Fast forward to the boss fight.
The other tank, turned out, didn't know about the fight either. HE STOOD UNDER THE FIRE WHEN BOTH US SNIPERS RAN TO THE SAFE CORNER and watched the tank showing under fire.
The other sniper made another o_O face because, shockers, I, too, had no idea this tank was also a noob.
(Un)fortunately my lv50 Theron was too good, he healed through the burn and we killed the boss with no one died.
I whispered the other sniper "Damn those Sith, we can't trust them"
She whispered back "Nope."

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amelianorello
Yesterday , 10:26 PM | #10072
Not really a "weird" experience but I just don't understand what really happened here.

Queued into MM FP Crisis on Umbara. For background, I've healed a number of MM FPs and HM op's before and I'm fully geared, but I hadn't done this particular FP in MM before. The tank quit the group before we even phased in, so we queued again for another tank. Finally we got one but he waited a bit outside of the FP for a few minutes. We said Welcome and we let him know we hadn't started yet. He ignored that and said "Have you healed this before?". I said not this one yet. And then he immediately quit.

Does the DPS not matter, just the healer does? He hadn't phased in so he couldn't have checked my achievements. We couldn't find a third tank and had to quit

Anyway, I was just baffled why players even queue for MM fps if they are going to quit immediately without giving anyone a chance.

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LD_Little_Dragon
Today , 12:06 AM | #10073
Quote: Originally Posted by amelianorello View Post

Does the DPS not matter, just the healer does? He hadn't phased in so he couldn't have checked my achievements. We couldn't find a third tank and had to quit
For Umbara? I've finished it a dozen times or so (and wiped about the same number). I would say having good dps who can both deal damage, and avoid taking damage, is more important than just having a good healer.

You probably just had a bad tank there. You know the type. They stand in avoidable aoe, ignore mechancis, and then yell at the healer for not healing them enough.

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Anyway, I was just baffled why players even queue for MM fps if they are going to quit immediately without giving anyone a chance.
That seems to be happening a lot lately. I keep getting players who drop as soon as a flashpoint pops up. There's no real pattern either. I've had them drop from more than one flashpoint, some are hard flashpoints but some are faceroll easy flashpoints.

They don't say anything, just 'poof', and they're gone. I'm not sure if they're trolling or what game they're playing, but they go on my ignore list.

There is a filter for flashpoints. Use it if you are not willing to run all the flashpoints.
Stealthy heals, stealthy dps, stealthy life.

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SoontirMorillo
Today , 02:36 AM | #10074
I saw this SWTOR Streamer last week on Twitch. He is fairly new. Playing roughly eight weeks or so, after a long hiatus.. He has experience as Tank from other MMOs and is rolling a PT-Tank. Mandalorian, you know.

After doing the Story and hitting level cap he starts queueing Flashpoints. Along the way he build his own Community. Mostly Casuals, but he befriended some NiM-Players as well. After some weeks he gets decent enough gear, for doing Master-Mode Flashpoints. He even reach the almighty 306 gear and has done almost all Master-Mode Flashpoints. Including SoV. Sometimes with his new „friends“, the NiM-players, sometimes with more casual allies.

You might think, he is good, but he has much to learn. He did like a trillion Hammer-Station runs along the way. Veteran- and Master-Mode. But he still stands to long in the cleave of the final boss. Much much room for improvement. The first time, he played a healer in Hammer-Station Master-Mode, his tank died because he didn't know, he had to cleanse the laser.

You see the problem here? The community of this game is to lazy to explain mechanics to beginners. Somebody told him. „Yeah, Hammer-Station, first boss, as a Tank, … just stand there. Healer is doing the rest.“. Not nice. Not helpful in the long run.

But this roflstomp through content with the name „master“ in it,.. it does something with people.

It happens to be, that he never did Czerka Core Meltdown. Neither Veteran- nor Master-Mode. This time he queues alone, 100% random groupfinder. They reach the Sandstorm-Generator-Boss. He says to his Twitch-Chat, „Never been here. Is this a boss? What does he do?“, and pulls. He does not inform his group or wait for explanation from his Twitch-Chat.

He stands in the middle of the arena and tanks the boss. The healer does an extraordinary job, but eventually the group gets low and it is a wipe. Right before everyone dies, our tank says „Healer? Why are you not healing?“. He simply has not the situational awareness to grasp, what is going on.

What i want to say is this:

On the one hand, we have the community, experienced players, that simply don't tell beginners everything. It takes too much time to explain boss-mechanics. They never tell a Tank a boss-mechanic, which a Healer has to execute.

On the other hand, we have new players, who get so used to roflstomp through every content, that they think, they are without fail. Since they almost completed all challenging 4-person-group-content, … it must be the healers fault. They simply don't know, that they don't know nothing about this game.

And this leads to my third point. They don't asked for instructions, because everything is easy peasy. And the one time something gets hard, there are like one or three seasoned veterans in overpowered gear in the back, to make sure, nothing bad will happen. They never ask for mechanics, because they never learned, that mechanics matter in this game. And this is Biowares fault.

TLDR. Bads are bad because 1. nobody teaches them anymore, 2. new players are not interested in learning, 3. Bioware makes everything too easy.

Edit: regarding point 2 "new players are not interested in learning". look at the forums. we have like 3 to 5 differents threads "nerf SoV", but not one, not a single one, is asking "i don't understand? what do i have to do to beat these bosses?". It goes just straight to "i died, you have to nerf this. now". And now we wait for 3 to happen. Bioware.. your turn.

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Ahwassa
Today , 04:08 AM | #10075
Quote: Originally Posted by SoontirMorillo View Post
He stands in the middle of the arena and tanks the boss. The healer does an extraordinary job, but eventually the group gets low and it is a wipe. Right before everyone dies, our tank says „Healer? Why are you not healing?“. He simply has not the situational awareness to grasp, what is going on.
Thats why I main sorc heal - I pull him where he has to go or write it.
Sometimes they get the hint after I fracture their spine

The problems you adress are Biowares and the players fault.
If something is too difficult, players complain so long about it that BW makes it easier.
I remember when Umbara and Chiss were difficult ... but at least you can do it with randoms now.

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eabevella
Today , 07:42 AM | #10076
When I was new (started a year ago, never even played mmo before)
I said "Hi, i'm new to FP, pls show me how to kill boss etc."
And people taught me. Both how to go around the map and how to kill boss.
Typing that line isn't difficult if you can play this game.

Now?
Me: Anyone new to this FP?
No response. Wipe because no one except me has a clue of what's going on.

Me: (Hammer Station) Healer, please cleanse "laser" when it reaches 5 stacks.
No cleanse half of the time. If I was really lucky, no heal either (lv75 healer who doesn't heal... *** are you even here?)

Me: Stealth class, please use sleep dart/mind trap on marked enemy.
No response.
On a good day, the stealth class ask what a sleep dart/mind trap is and actually learn it.
On a normal day, there will be no response at all so I simply sigh and pull.

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Zechalakazam
Today , 08:42 AM | #10077
Quote: Originally Posted by eabevella View Post
When I was new (started a year ago, never even played mmo before)
I said "Hi, i'm new to FP, pls show me how to kill boss etc."
And people taught me. Both how to go around the map and how to kill boss.
Typing that line isn't difficult if you can play this game.

Now?
Me: Anyone new to this FP?
No response. Wipe because no one except me has a clue of what's going on.

Me: (Hammer Station) Healer, please cleanse "laser" when it reaches 5 stacks.
No cleanse half of the time. If I was really lucky, no heal either (lv75 healer who doesn't heal... *** are you even here?)

Me: Stealth class, please use sleep dart/mind trap on marked enemy.
No response.
On a good day, the stealth class ask what a sleep dart/mind trap is and actually learn it.
On a normal day, there will be no response at all so I simply sigh and pull.
This is what bothers me ALOT, newer player these days dont even told the group its their first time and some of them even says that they complete said FP/OPS multiple time even though their cheevo says otherwise.

Someone on earlier post have a good point of saying “since its easy to run through content, new player will just assume its easy and its the healer fault on wipe”

I mean, if a new player told at least me that its their first time, I will spare the time to explain mech to them. But, if they dont tell group its their first time even though I check cheevo, I wouldn’t bother to explain.

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LD_Little_Dragon
Today , 09:27 AM | #10078
New players, just say you are new (even if you have done the Vet version, some MM have different mechanics).

I have had good experiences with new'ish players. I have pugged all the harder flashpoints (including Umbara) where 2 or more players in the group were new to them. ... I have BEEN that player who is new to fights. Everyone is new at one point.

Assuming a player has learnt their class properly and has decent gear (not max, just decent)*, then they should be fine with any MM flashpoint. If they let people know they are new to MM and also listen to explanations of the fight then the run will go much smoother.

... most flashpoint boss explanations are 'like Veteran only things hit harder and have more hitpoints'. There are only a few where you will need more than a couple if sentences to explain mechanics.


* pay attention to your stats when gearing. That 258 gear that was great on your level 70, will be terrible gear on your level 75.
Stealthy heals, stealthy dps, stealthy life.