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Lokun
12.13.2011 , 11:44 AM | #1
My question is for anyone that has leveled in the shield specialist tree. I was just curious about how much damage can you do in the shield spec. I hate to compare it to WOW but I always rolled a PVE tank and when I did play the occasional PVP match-up I ended up doing more damage than half the team. I know that it's often dependent on gear, but has anyone tried this? Or should I just be on the safe side and pour my points into tactics/assault or even a hybrid build?

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Heezdedjim
12.13.2011 , 12:00 PM | #2
Check the Yojack Build 2012 thread in the trooper forum for answers to all these questions.

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Aaoogaa
12.13.2011 , 07:03 PM | #3
Full shieldspec is amazing (31/8/2). Once you hit 50 you either have access to DPS oriented PVP gear or tanking PVP gear. Yojack's semi hybrid build gives up to much survivability to make the PVP tank gear effective and if you wore the DPS PVP gear your survivabiliy would suck even more compared to the increased DPS output. All to have gut which for shield spec is a sub par ability.
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squoke
12.13.2011 , 07:47 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Aaoogaa View Post
Full shieldspec is amazing (31/8/2). Once you hit 50 you either have access to DPS oriented PVP gear or tanking PVP gear. Yojack's semi hybrid build gives up to much survivability to make the PVP tank gear effective and if you wore the DPS PVP gear your survivabiliy would suck even more compared to the increased DPS output. All to have gut which for shield spec is a sub par ability.
It's not sub par when it keeps a cap from happening which is the whole reason you would take it in a PVP shield spec. You don't need the dot for HIB due to the dot applied with stock strike.
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Aaoogaa
12.13.2011 , 07:59 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by squoke View Post
It's not sub par when it keeps a cap from happening which is the whole reason you would take it in a PVP shield spec. You don't need the dot for HIB due to the dot applied with stock strike.
The same dot that allows HIB to work without gut also keeps caps from happening. Your post for and againt gut is confusing to me.
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squoke
12.13.2011 , 10:09 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Aaoogaa View Post
The same dot that allows HIB to work without gut also keeps caps from happening. Your post for and againt gut is confusing to me.
Simple math is your friend here. She will help you with your confusion. Allow me to show you.

Gut = 15 second dot with no CD and 2 ammo cost
Stock strike fully talented = 9 second dot with 9 second CD and 2 ammo cost
Global cool down = 1.5 seconds

This math therefore shows us that I can gut 6 people in the time it takes me to stock strike 2 and prevent them from capping for an additional 6 seconds.

Conclusion: Gut is far from sub par when you want to prevent a node cap
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Aeonixx
12.15.2011 , 12:25 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by squoke View Post
Simple math is your friend here. She will help you with your confusion. Allow me to show you.

Gut = 15 second dot with no CD and 2 ammo cost
Stock strike fully talented = 9 second dot with 9 second CD and 2 ammo cost
Global cool down = 1.5 seconds

This math therefore shows us that I can gut 6 people in the time it takes me to stock strike 2 and prevent them from capping for an additional 6 seconds.

Conclusion: Gut is far from sub par when you want to prevent a node cap
You act like gut is your only aoe/dot ability.

I wouldn't dream of going for gut when I could take increased survivability. I'd sooner live an extra 15 seconds and stop THOSE cap attempts as opposed to gutting someone and dying, allowing their teammates to cap.

Survivability > Gut anyday.

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squoke
12.15.2011 , 01:53 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Aeonixx View Post
You act like gut is your only aoe/dot ability.

I wouldn't dream of going for gut when I could take increased survivability. I'd sooner live an extra 15 seconds and stop THOSE cap attempts as opposed to gutting someone and dying, allowing their teammates to cap.

Survivability > Gut anyday.
The discussion I was having was in regards to Gut being sub par in a pvp setting. Not in a Gut vs Survivability setting.

Now, to your post...

Gut is not our only dot. It's just our best one.

You can take every single survivability talent in the shield tree and still get Gut. All the shield chances, all the shield chances with ammo regen, absorption, DR, defense, debuffs to enemy damage and hit chance. Every last one of them. So, Gut vs Survivability is not a discussion that needs to be had.
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