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Vanguard: Tanking and You


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Aienir
02.17.2015 , 02:27 AM | #101
I disagree completely that it should be unstickied. The OP has tons of good info for beginner tanks such as what threat is, how to generate it, how others generate it (DPS/Healers). Tips on how to pull mobs - LOS pulls, single target pulls when there are multiple targets, and a lot more. This guide is a gold mine of info on general "*** is tanking", not just PT/Vanguard tank.

Take a look at the PT/Vanguard guide on Dulfy, it's great for someone who is at endgame, knows what tanking is and is looking for how to gear + optimal rotation. This is more about beginners and telling them their role in a group and what IS tanking, what happens when you tank and what it is your doing. That Dulfy guide will be gibberish for a new player wanting to tank who is both new to MMO's and new to tanking in general. For example, there are SO few tanks out there who don't realize that heals generate 45% threat on all targets you are in combat with and so guarding a healer is stupid because a simple saber strike or rapid shots will out threat them easily. "LOS pull? What does that mean?" another question so many tanks I've run into have.

While the rotation, skill points (there are none) and rotation are "off " because since the last time this was updated, things were moved around (Energy Blast at one time didn't have the 25% shield chance, I distinctly remember having vanguard tanks use hybrids due to them having more survivability and threat AKA Carolina Parakeet for anyone who remembers THAT OP spec), the rest of the general information in the beginning about general tanking is gold.

I wish I could update the OP for him as it requires very little changing, but I can't. Though I've been trying to convince him to come back to play for a bit.

TL: DR - This thread is gold for new players wanting to know what tanking is, bad for someone who wants an updated guide on gear/optimal rotation. Thread should remain stickied just for the goldmine of info it has for new players who don't know anything about what tanking is and need a basic rundown. You want an updated guide for talents/optimal gear/rotation? go check Dulfy.
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voltaicbore
02.17.2015 , 10:35 AM | #102
When it comes to Dulfy, preaching to the choir here - in my guild we call her the Oracle (nerdy Greek history pun). Although it'll end up sorta buried here on the last page, may as well link the Dulfy Vanguard guide here. And yes, much of the Dulfy guide will look like gibberish (especially since the different builds/"loadouts" are explained in terms of lv 60 ops boss fights, it really isn't going to make much sense to the uninitiated.

I also agree that there *is* indeed a good set of basic tanking info up front that doesn't really change with patches (or ever, really). There are parts where it arguably gets a bit too dense for the truly new player, but that's a nitpick.

I guess the least I can do is either make or find a competing VG tanking guide that pretty much just updates this one. If I find the time to do it, due credit will be given to this. It would be nice of your OP buddy can come back and brush this up though, since I'm kinda lazy.

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Aienir
02.17.2015 , 10:39 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by voltaicbore View Post
When it comes to Dulfy, preaching to the choir here - in my guild we call her the Oracle (nerdy Greek history pun). Although it'll end up sorta buried here on the last page, may as well link the Dulfy Vanguard guide here. And yes, much of the Dulfy guide will look like gibberish (especially since the different builds/"loadouts" are explained in terms of lv 60 ops boss fights, it really isn't going to make much sense to the uninitiated.

I also agree that there *is* indeed a good set of basic tanking info up front that doesn't really change with patches (or ever, really). There are parts where it arguably gets a bit too dense for the truly new player, but that's a nitpick.

I guess the least I can do is either make or find a competing VG tanking guide that pretty much just updates this one. If I find the time to do it, due credit will be given to this. It would be nice of your OP buddy can come back and brush this up though, since I'm kinda lazy.
I've talked to him to come back, but the ability delay, lag and bugs turned him off from 3.0. He bough the xpac, tried it for a short while said "screw this" and went back to WoW.

I'll keep bugging him though. Maybe I'll just open a new thread, copy + paste the relevant info from this one and give him credit and update the parts for 3.0. If I feel like being productive or something.
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Rasticles
06.14.2015 , 06:15 AM | #104
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RobertPetrisor
02.23.2016 , 01:26 AM | #105
Beautiful. Thanks alot for this.

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cairax
02.24.2016 , 11:03 PM | #106
Defense vs endurance? Atm i went for high endurance enhancements and mods putting me at 2k defence. Is this a safe bet?

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voltaicbore
03.29.2016 , 01:11 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by cairax View Post
Defense vs endurance? Atm i went for high endurance enhancements and mods putting me at 2k defence. Is this a safe bet?
I'll have to go back and check the numbers, but yeah, endurance is a fairly safe bet in the KotFE era. As long as you're also paying attention to stacking your shield chance, I think you can afford to keep def a bit lower. Riot gas, after all.

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llayles
04.26.2016 , 09:26 PM | #108
I feel like someone active could make an updated version of this guide. There's really no reason not to and unsticky this one, save for the fact that no one's actually sat down and done it.

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MoondogJake
03.04.2017 , 01:44 AM | #109
Please unnerf my Vanguard tank's abilities to pre 5.0!!

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angelpaul
05.03.2017 , 11:44 AM | #110
im looking to do pvp with my shield spec vanguard, any advice?






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