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Iokath: Explained


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09.05.2018 , 01:53 PM | #11
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I guess these details aren't as important as some others, but the Gravestone being exactly where we needed it to be in the Endless Swamp exactly when we needed a ship to escape was a pretty big plot point. The writers built the whole "destiny" sub-plot off of it after all, so it is disappointing that we don't have a definitive answer.
Inorite? We hear this myth from Koth, how it "took on the Fleet" and survived. Valkorion tells us it isn't what we expected and in fact downplays its role during our whole transformative hero's journey, if you will. We learn about it being sourced from Iokath. Then we learn it is the hand to Zildrog's head.
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09.08.2018 , 03:57 PM | #12
So looking over some of the details discussed in this thread, I've created a rough (and hopefully more accurate) outline for Iokath's history.


History

The Iokathi were a race of enlightened engineers based somewhere in Wild Space.

The Iokathi had a fascination with war and superweapons for some reason. It's possible that they once waged war with the Ancient Gree or Rakata [Source: Charles Boyd].

In their development and perfection of various superweapons, the Iokathi created a naval fighting force that we know as the Eternal Fleet, controlled by the droid GEMINI--or as we know her, GEMINI Prime [Source: ARIES' explanation in KOTET Chapter 4].

The Iokathi continued to create superweapons, eventually setting out to construct "machine gods". At this time, there were competitive sects within the Iokathi species. Two of these rival groups competed to see who could develop the best "machine god"; one group developed the Six, the other developed Zildrog [Source: "Zildrog" Codex Entry].

In their competition, both rival groups unleashed their weapons on a test worlds to see whose was most effective. As a result, four planets were devastated and "trillions" of lives were lost [Source: "The Six Gods" Codex entry].

Among these test worlds was Zakuul. Much of Zakuul's tribal population was devastated by the superweapons' rampage, but those who survived began to worship the droids as destructive deities. There was also discrepancy between Izax and Zildrog, given that both possessed flight, an omnicanon, and ramblings of destruction. Because of this controversy, Zakuulans associated Izax and Zildrog as one in the same [Source: "Zildrog" Codex entry].

Eventually, the Iokathi ceased their production of superweapons to engage in a more ambitious project: Iokath itself. They took on the prospect of creating a world out of nothing, likely using their machines like the Eternal Fleet and droids to construct the Dyson sphere around a small star. Designed as an adaptable and unpenetrable world, Iokath ushered in an era of peace for the Iokathi [Source: "History of Iokath: Entry 4" Codex entry].

As time passed, the Iokathi continued to improve and expand Iokath, gradually declining in their development and tests of superweapons. Eventually, the Iokathi used virtual simulations to test their weapons, rather than live-fire exercises on the worlds of other species [Source: "History of Iokath: Entry 5" Codex entry].

The Iokathi created ARIES to manage the custodian droid labor force on Iokath, as well as SCORPIO to analyze the ever-expanding Iokath and offer data on how to best improve the world [Source: SCORPIO's declaration of her primary function to be improvement and evolution].

With the peace and settlement offered by Iokath, designs simply became less exciting and innovative. Some of the Iokathi recognized this, and yearned for the glory days of their past. Among these Iokath "Purists" was the Master Designer, Vel Jyc Boer [Source: "History of Iokath: Entry 5" Codex entry].

Boer and other Purists theorized that they could invoke their species' sense of innovation if they turned their technology on their own people. They started this process by sabotaging Iokath's pneumatic tram system, killing thousands and sparking the Iokath Civil War [Source: "Pneumatic Trams" codex entry].

In the midst of the conflict, the Purists unleashed SCORPIO, GEMINI, and the Eternal Fleet. But the Fleet did not just target Iokath; it targeted Wild Space as a whole. Iokathi pacifists were forced to use Zildrog and its omnicanon to confront and defeat the fleet over various planets, one of which was Zakuul. Zakuulans of the time witnessed Zildrog's victory over the Fleet, and discerned their legends from that battle [Source: "The Gravestone" codex entry].

With the Gravestone, much of the Eternal Fleet was destroyed. The portion of the Fleet that attacked Iokath was deactivated with a powerful signal scrambler [Source: The presence of the signal that deactivates the Fleet in the beginning of the Iokath planetary story].

Without the Eternal Fleet, the Iokath Purists were eventually defeated. In an attempt to prevent such mindless destruction from happening again, the Iokath Pacifists wiped the memories of weapons used in the war, including SCORPIO, GEMINI, and Zildrog. Furthermore, SCORPIO, the Fleet, and Zildrog were all locked away in various portions of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions, though each was hidden with various control mechanisms. SCORPIO was left with her restraining codes, the Fleet with left with the control unit of GEMINI, and Zildrog was left with its command console [Source: SCORPIO's revelation at the end of KOTET Chapter 4].

Seeing Iokath's greatest inventions locked away, the remaining Purists grew angry. In a last ditch attempt to bring back the glory days of the species, one Iokathi--likely Boer--took possession of the superweapon command throne on Iokath. At the cost of his life, he activated the Six machine Gods, who rampaged across Iokath and exterminated the species [Source: Theron's explanation upon finding the dead Iokathi on the command throne in the Iokath planetary arc].

The machine Gods eventually ended their rampage and returned to their slumber. With the Six deactivated, only ARIES remained, with him becoming the last self-conscious artificial intelligence on Iokath [Source: SCORPIO's revelation at the end of KOTET Chapter 4].

Left alone, ARIES began attracting visitors to Iokath to determine if anyone was worthy to inherit Iokath. Seeing the same irrationality in all organics he met, ARIES was forced to kill them. Over time, as he was forced to kill more and more organics, ARIES gradually weaponized the custodian and caretaker droids of Iokath, turning all of them into weapons [Source: "Droids of Iokath" codex entry].

Zildrog (or its command console at least) was discovered by Tenebrae on Nathema. Tenebrae used the console to command Zildrog to massacre much of the population of Nathema, with Zildrog eventually causing enough death that Tenebrae could enact a Force ritual that devastated the planet. Zildrog itself later crashed in the Swamps of Zakuul, but for what reason is unknown [Source: "Zildrog" codex entry].

SCORPIO was eventually discovered by the Star Cabal, which used her restraining codes to control her. They installed her into the planetary network of Belsavis so that she would protect the secrets they kept on the world [Source: Imperial Agent class story on Belsavis and SCORPIO's companion conversations].

GEMINI and the Eternal Fleet were eventually discovered by Valkorion. Valkorion learned of the legends of the Fleet and Gravestone from Zakuulans, and had his Force-user servants--the Scions--use their visions to discern the Fleet's location. Although they discovered the fleet, the Zakuulans could not control it through GEMINI. They instead captured GEMINI and constructed replica Captains from her, though the Captains were programmed to obey orders. Zakuulans constructed the hyperwave relay station to connect and command the Captains, eventually linking the station to the Eternal Throne [Source: KOTFE Chapter 14].

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09.08.2018 , 05:17 PM | #13
That is a pretty comprehensive post, although I'm still not sure whether or not Zildrog was found on Nathema. He was located in an Emperor's Vault so perhaps Tenebrae merely moved him there for sake keeping, regardless of that your post is pretty comprehensive and thought it and I appreciate you putting the sources behind it. Cheers
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09.08.2018 , 06:41 PM | #14
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That is a pretty comprehensive post, although I'm still not sure whether or not Zildrog was found on Nathema. He was located in an Emperor's Vault so perhaps Tenebrae merely moved him there for sake keeping, regardless of that your post is pretty comprehensive and thought it and I appreciate you putting the sources behind it. Cheers
Yeah, like we agreed before, Zildrog/Gravestone is a big ol' anomaly. Why was the console on Nathema? How did the ship get into the Zakuul swamps? Why was Zildrog's consciousness built into a separate console instead of being part of the ship itself? Too many questions.

My personal belief remains that the Zildrog console was at least on Nathema. There is the possibility that Nathema was one of the worlds conquered with the Eternal Fleet. One of the "History of Iokath" entries mentions the Iokathi using their war weapons to conquer a planet that contained underground vaults filled with cultural artifacts.

A planet with vast underground vaults and cultural artifacts? Hmmm....

It's possible that this planet was Medriaas prior to the settlement of the Sith species. Perhaps, after the civil war, the Iokathi returned and chose to hide Zildrog there, believing it would be beyond the reach of anyone in an underground vault. And then, millennia later, some Sith of the Old Sith Empire settled and lived there for generations, until Tenebrae was born. In exploring Medriaas for the secrets of the Sith, Tenebrae instead happened upon the vault that the Zildrog console rested in. Maybe the starship was hidden there too, or maybe it was just the console, which Tenebrae used to summon the ship.

Again, all of that is really speculation and has too many jumps, stretches, and assumptions to include in the more factual post above. Though I'd love to hear your elaboration on some of the other unknowns.

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09.08.2018 , 07:42 PM | #15
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Yeah, like we agreed before, Zildrog/Gravestone is a big ol' anomaly. Why was the console on Nathema? How did the ship get into the Zakuul swamps? Why was Zildrog's consciousness built into a separate console instead of being part of the ship itself? Too many questions.

My personal belief remains that the Zildrog console was at least on Nathema. There is the possibility that Nathema was one of the worlds conquered with the Eternal Fleet. One of the "History of Iokath" entries mentions the Iokathi using their war weapons to conquer a planet that contained underground vaults filled with cultural artifacts.

A planet with vast underground vaults and cultural artifacts? Hmmm....

It's possible that this planet was Medriaas prior to the settlement of the Sith species. Perhaps, after the civil war, the Iokathi returned and chose to hide Zildrog there, believing it would be beyond the reach of anyone in an underground vault. And then, millennia later, some Sith of the Old Sith Empire settled and lived there for generations, until Tenebrae was born. In exploring Medriaas for the secrets of the Sith, Tenebrae instead happened upon the vault that the Zildrog console rested in. Maybe the starship was hidden there too, or maybe it was just the console, which Tenebrae used to summon the ship.

Again, all of that is really speculation and has too many jumps, stretches, and assumptions to include in the more factual post above. Though I'd love to hear your elaboration on some of the other unknowns.
Truth be told I can't pierce together anything together . I remember how much of a reputation of scholar Tenebrae had but I can't remember any source stating whether or not he ever left Nathema on his researchs, truth be told your explanation isn't that bad either. Perhaps the Iokathi left the Gravestone to drift on space and eventually it crash-landed on Zakuul or perhaps they left it there on purporse. Now that I think of it if their purpose was to get rid of their superweapons the console and gravestone being separate makes more sense. Perhaps the Iokathi picked apart the two and sealed them away in 2 different locations.

And I suppose it is possible the Iokathi settled on Medriaas centuries or even millennia before the Sith. The problem is the location, I think Nathema is supposed to be located around the Sith Space. While the Iokathi seem to be based off Wild Space and the unknown regions, if we go by the galaxy map in the game anyhow. I remember a few months ago Charles said the details of how Tenebrae acquired Zildrog would eventually be disclosed, so hopefully we'll get that answer as I think it would help piercing together the mystery.
EDIT: So I search Wookieepedia for Nathema's location and apparently the system Nathema is located is indeed on Wild Space. So perhaps it was part of the Iokathi's civlization at some point.
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09.09.2018 , 12:34 AM | #16
The first point I want to bring up, after that awesome re-write, is to discuss the nature of the Gemini droids. A simple iokath caretaker droid, the one with the vertically linear blue eye was able to undue all of SCORPIO's self-awareness programming with a simple reset and bring the captains back under Vaylin's control. This was the head she ripped off when they were at the fleet control spire on Iokath, prior to ARIES' defeat. These droids were never involved with Zakuul engineers directly until that point in time, yet they were still able to reset the GEMINI Captains to their default state. The Iokath Caretaker droid recognized a bug in the program of the captains, a variance from the default state, and was able to reset ALL of them by using the hyperwave relay connection of the Throne. That suggests to me that the Gemini Captains were not a construct of Valkorion or the Zakuulans, but instead part of the original design. Its a subtle point, but one which does affect your narrative some.
Now, how Valkorion knew to grab GEMINI Prime is yet another plot hole. Senya tells the Alliance in KOTFE Ch 14 that Darvannis was one of the first worlds they conquered in the war, presumably referring to Arcann's war after Valkorion's death, not the "testing of strength" that Valkorion sent his sons to do prior to us encountering them on Marr's flagship in Ch. 1. Why Arcann chose Darvannis to build the factory I don't know, maybe some residual traces of the dark side of the Force from DM Styrak. But he clearly had the fleet before that point, and its clearly under control of the Eternal Throne, so Valkorion must have already had GEMINI Prime somewhere when he meets the Outlander. Maybe because Valkorion didn't have access to Iokath, he (or one of his associates) had to construct Prime from scratch, to control the other droids, or modify one of the Captains to be Prime. Perhaps he called it Prime to mislead us and his empire into thinking he (Valkorion) was the one responsible for everything. Or, maybe Prime was stored in Fleet ship #0001 all along and was part of the original Iokath design.

Regarding your other points, I really like your idea that the planet mentioned in that History of Iokath codex entry might have been Medriaas or prehistoric Nathema.
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There is the possibility that Nathema was one of the worlds conquered with the Eternal Fleet. One of the "History of Iokath" entries mentions the Iokathi using their war weapons to conquer a planet that contained underground vaults filled with cultural artifacts.
Yeah, I think you may be on to something there.
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The problem is the location, I think Nathema is supposed to be located around the Sith Space. While the Iokathi seem to be based off Wild Space and the unknown regions, if we go by the galaxy map in the game anyhow. I remember a few months ago Charles said the details of how Tenebrae acquired Zildrog would eventually be disclosed, so hopefully we'll get that answer as I think it would help piercing together the mystery.
EDIT: So I search Wookieepedia for Nathema's location and apparently the system Nathema is located is indeed on Wild Space. So perhaps it was part of the Iokathi's civlization at some point.
Yeah, but someone could have edited the Wookieepedia entry to retcon all this. This is all Legends continuity anyway so Disney will never say anything about it, but the dev team could say for certain where it is. I never read the Revan novel so I can't say if its better described there. The SW galactic map has changed several times, especially since The Force Awakens. I had a long talk with Charles at the SW Celebration cantina about Ach-To and its relation to Tython, Ossus, and other planets that for so long had been considered Jedi homeworlds in the EU. Canonically, the existence of Temples on multiple worlds like Jedha and Lothal has been established. But we're certainly meant to think, after TFA, that Ach-To is the homeworld, the location of the first temple, and TLJ does nothing to negate that. On the map R2 and BB-8 reconstruct, that would put Ach-To somewhere in wild space. My point is that it feels like the whole SW Galactic map has been completely re-written. Going back to our game, on the Chiss Copero Holomap, Nathema doesn't look to be anywhere near Wild Space. In fact, its why everyone thought Oricon was the planet of Zildrog's location prior to the reveal.
That being said, I don't see a specific reason why the ancient Iokath builders couldn't have tried testing their designs on the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

My last point is about the timing. Your write up makes an argument that the Fleet predates the Six Gods, but I'm not sure that's a correct assumption. ARIES conveniently neglects to mention the six gods and he seems to have a pretty handy Superweapon right under his proverbial nose without needing to wake up the Six Gods. The Six Gods have Zakuulan names, not greek names, but that doesn't imply they don't have code names from their original designers. In fact, during the GOTM operation, you never hear them call anyone by name, except Izax. Scyva only refers to Esne and Aveila as the daughters of passion and envy, and her Son of Shadow and Son of Rage, but never by their Zakuulan names. NAHUT calls her "Origin-Mother," not Scyva. Scyva does however call Izax by his name, I think. That could be a slip up on the part of the Devs, or it could be intentional, like a sign of deference, but if that were the case its inconsistent with the other children. But when Tyth awakens you don't hear him mention anything about any of the other non-Six droids on the planet, let alone ARIES. I guess it makes more sense to think that the Fleet predates the design of Zildrog and the Six. Either Zildrog or the Six must be more efficient at planetary invasion and destruction than the fleet is. Zildrog/Gravestone is more powerful than the Fleet, after all it can destroy it in one shot, suggesting iterative improvements over the Fleet's design. SCORPIO talking about the Gravestone's intelligence being equal to her own might still be true even if the gravestone was more advanced than she was at the time, because of her self-improvement directive. I still think if I was needing to design a comprehensive invasion weapon, I'd probably want elements of all three designs (the hive mind automated Fleet, the droid ground invasion force, and the failsafe weapon capable of destroying all life), so I can't quite dismiss the notion that all three were contemporaneously designed.
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09.09.2018 , 09:48 AM | #17
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That suggests to me that the Gemini Captains were not a construct of Valkorion or the Zakuulans, but instead part of the original design. Its a subtle point, but one which does affect your narrative some.
The GEMINI Captains and GEMINI Prime ordeal is definitely confusing, I admit. In KOTFE, we're led to believe that Zakuulans replicated the Captains from the Prime, but conversations with ARIES and the Iokath droid in KOTET imply that the Captains came from Iokath. The Prime does say that she and SCORPIO both had "One source: The Luminous Engine" (aka the Iokath engineers) while "The Captains were born of me".

So there's a lot of questions from that. Why would the Iokathi need the Prime to replicate their own technology? Why did Zakuul keep the Prime around if they already had access to the Captains? Why did Arcann store the Prime on Darvannis, a planet that they had only conquered recently, instead of somewhere closer to Zakuul?

If I had to put speculation around it, my guess would be that GEMINI Prime was actually the commander for the Fleet, even when it was under Iokathi control. Like SCYVA is to the Six Gods, the Prime acted as the control unit to link all the captains together and distribute orders. In fact, KOTFE Chapter 15 seems to support this explanation, as it claims that plugging the Prime into one of the warships would allow her to take command over the entire fleet, superseding even the authority of the Eternal Throne. But again, that's more speculation than anything.

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Regarding your other points, I really like your idea that the planet mentioned in that History of Iokath codex entry might have been Medriaas or prehistoric Nathema.
Yeah, I happened across the codex entry when I was reviewing information for this thread. Obviously, when KOTET first came around, it was such a throwaway description. But now, after a lot more has become clear about Iokath, it's interesting to think that the Devs always intended for that Codex to mean something. If, in fact, this codex entry was always meant to hint at Nathema, I do have to give the Devs some credit. That would be intense and subtle foreshadowing.

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My last point is about the timing. Your write up makes an argument that the Fleet predates the Six Gods, but I'm not sure that's a correct assumption.
The timing of when each of the superweapons were created isn't directly stated. We know three things for certain. One: Zildrog, the Fleet, the Six, and any of the other mobile superweapons all predated Iokath itself. Two: Zildrog and the Six were built simultaneously as rival projects. And three: SCORPIO was designed after the creation of Iokath.

Anything beyond those details is up to interpretation. One theory would suggest that Zildrog and the Six were created after the fleet, considering how Zildrog could rip apart the Fleet with its omnicannon. Though another theory would suggest that the Fleet's construction actually came after the Gods and was closer to Iokath's construction, given that the GEMINI Droids and SCORPIO share a lot of characteristics, and SCORPIO didn't come about until after Iokath. We can't say for sure.

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09.09.2018 , 10:46 AM | #18
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Yeah, but someone could have edited the Wookieepedia entry to retcon all this. This is all Legends continuity anyway so Disney will never say anything about it, but the dev team could say for certain where it is. I never read the Revan novel so I can't say if its better described there.
Yeah but Arcann mentions it is in that sector, which apparently Wookieepedia classifies it as "Wild Space". Alongside a few other Sith Worlds, I'm not an expert on the geography of Star Wars but it could explain a lot of things. As far as Disney is concerned, yeah, it's legends so as far as "continuity" is concerned canon has no say on it. SWTOR shouldn't follow canon's geography and vice-versa.
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09.26.2018 , 12:50 AM | #19
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Yeah but Arcann mentions it is in that sector, which apparently Wookieepedia classifies it as "Wild Space". Alongside a few other Sith Worlds, I'm not an expert on the geography of Star Wars but it could explain a lot of things. As far as Disney is concerned, yeah, it's legends so as far as "continuity" is concerned canon has no say on it. SWTOR shouldn't follow canon's geography and vice-versa.
Chorlian sector. I'm replaying KOTET to try and capture some of this lore again and get the citations. It just doesn't match up with the Copero holo map and classifying it as "Outer Rim" doesn't fit either based on all the other galactic maps in Legends.

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The timing of when each of the superweapons were created isn't directly stated.
Going back to Iokath History Entry Three, the entry mentions the vast underground vault constructed by the "now-extinct natives." Since the natives of Medriaas didn't become extinct until after Tenebrae-Vitiate used Zildrog and the Ritual, the planet described probably isn't Nathema. Furthermore, the codex entry says
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We will leave the vault to be discovered by whatever life emerges on the test environment in future epochs.
This suggests to me that the Builders wouldn't leave equipment on test environments. This codex entry does, however, seem to indicate that the planet described was the first successful testing ground for their comprehensive planetary invasion platform:
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a fully-integrated and optimized planetary assault platform suitable to any environment or resistance pattern
As it says in the codex entry. As such, Kataret's right that the design of many of the superweapons predate Iokath. But what constitutes a comprehensive platform? The Fleet alone? The Six Gods alone? Zildrog/Gravestone alone? Any combo of those? The Fleet could perform planetary subjugation by itself -- we see the destruction it can cause first hand on Voss during KOTET Ch. 1, but there are discussions/holonet reports of its destructive capabilities in several other chapters (KOTET 6, KOTFE 10, etc). But, the codex entry for the Six Gods shows they're just as capable of death on a scale of trillions too, leaving us no closer to discerning which came first. And, of course, we know what Zildrog can do.

ARIES is aware of the original paradigm of "Conduct wargames, offer reparations", which predates Iokath. He also is well aware of the GEMINI droids' original programming, since he says SCORPIO corrupted it. Finally, he is aware of Zakuul's place in the litany of planets tested. This means ARIES' construction predates the construction of Iokath. Codex Entry 5 by Boer does seem to indicate SCORPIO herself wasn't designed until AFTER Iokath was constructed. Why did she get a Greek name if she was a much later design? Was it Boer harkening back to the good ole' days of Iokathi designs when men were men and droids were machine gods? At least, that might explain why GEMINI Prime views SCORPIO as from the one source. ARIES laments much of SCORPIO's current programming. Is it envy of a more advanced design (post creation of Iokath, where he was pre-Iokath), or perhaps its because of everything she has done to improve herself in the centuries out on her own?

History of Iokath Entry Three also states
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Perhaps they [the life that emerges on the test environment] will be able to explain their predecessors when we return to test them
This sentence along with History of Iokath Codex Entry One suggests that test environments are considered for testing again after appropriate time frames.

So, to summarize: there is evidence that ARIES, the GEMINI droids + the Fleet, the Six Gods, and Zildrog were designed prior to Iokath's construction, but the exact order is unclear. There is speculation that the Six Gods and Zildrog were created contemporaneously by rival groups, and since they lack Greek names probably were designed at a different time than the Fleet and the GEMINI droids. There was an ultimate planetary invasion platform that was designed by the "greatest master designer" at the time and successfully tested, prior to the construction of Iokath. Finally, Zakuul was tested prior to Iokath's construction, and that test is the basis for the Zakuulan mythology.

Therefore I think its likely that the Six Gods were tested on Zakuul earlier in its history, creating the initial pantheon mythology, and the encounter between the Fleet and the Gravestone, creating its mythology, occurred much later. Lead Analyst Udo Lin Xior is the author of History codex entry 3, and they refer to working with the "greatest master designer in [their] long history." I presumed that the title of Master Designer is a hierarchical one, as in the Master Designer oversees the subordinates beneath them. If that's true, then the supposition that the Six Gods were the first test which involved Zakuul made sense. But, perhaps Master Designer is merely a title, in the same way that there are many Jedi Masters, but only some are on the Council, and there is one Grand Master. That could mean that Lead Analyst Xior and their "master designer" belong to the "winning group" in this rival competition, following the successful deployment of the design on the planet described in the codex entry. The Six Gods codex entry indicates that they were tested on several worlds, presumably during this competition, and Zakuul must have been one of them.

The only way that the Fleet and the Gravestone's battle over Zakuul could be contemporaneous with the Six Gods is if the rival groups competed on the same world, and that there were THREE separate groups: one that constructed the Fleet and the GEMINI droids, one that made the Six Gods, and one that made Zildrog and the Gravestone. Yet the codex entry 3 implies only one design was actually tested on the planet described, so this makes less sense. ARIES shares a Greek name with the GEMINI droids, and the Six Gods do not, implying that the Fleet was probably before the competition. Furthermore, the mythology of the Six Gods, and the Fleet, shows evolution in Zakuulan understanding They viewed the Six Gods as supernatural deities, but they understood that the Gravestone and the Fleet were starships. At least, the stories Koth is aware of indicate an understanding that they are spaceships. For all those reasons, I think the Six Gods were the only actual time Zakuul was officially tested by the Iokathi, and it was during the competition, and the comprehensive planetary invasion platform described in the codex entry is most likely the Six Gods, and not the Fleet or Zildrog. Obviously when a player is going through the KOTET story they are led to believe the codex entry refers to the Fleet, but with the benefit of hindsight it was probably the Six Gods.

We know from things Valkorion tells us in KOTET 8/9 that the Fleet's primal function, of wonton destruction, was only brought under control when he made the Eternal Throne. Therefore, I think more likely than the idea that the Fleet, the Gods, and Zildrog/Gravestone are contemporaneous, is that after the Iokathi civil war, when the Fleet and Gravestone were aimlessly wandering Wild Space with locked memory cores, they happened to engage each other over Zakuul, perhaps because some residual data was left in their memory banks, and their battle was the basis for that myth. It is possible that the battle forming the basis of the mythology occurred during the civil war, but that would mean that the Gravestone was scuttled by one side before the end of the war, never to be used again. I don't think they would have given up their only defense against the Fleet.

What do you think?
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10.02.2018 , 09:39 PM | #20
Whoa, whoa.

I played all the content and really devoured the story. These posts did help to piece Iokath together for me more but I would like to clarify a few things.

1. Has there been a major retcon on the destruction of Nathema? Was Vitiate's ritual not the sole cause of the consumption of all life on the planet? Are we now saying ZIldrog was part of this?

2. How do we know Zildrog was on Nathema prior to its destruction? I always assumed it was a later discovery by the Emperor hundreds of years following the establishment of the reconstituted Sith Empire. A tool squirreled way.

3. If Zildrog was conclusively on Nathema prior to its destruction, could Vitiate have discovered it and thus learned of the location of the Eternal Fleet from Zildrog? If not the location, then all things of interest in that section of Wild Space?