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people that struggle with these should get fraps or something and post some videos of there attemtps

 

just posting text is difficult to respond to, these missions are so incredibly easy, it's hard to believe people struggle with them at all. With a video it would be much easier to help you

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people that struggle with these should get fraps or something and post some videos of there attemtps

 

just posting text is difficult to respond to, these missions are so incredibly easy, it's hard to believe people struggle with them at all. With a video it would be much easier to help you

 

The video suggestion really is great, i just don't know how to record ingame video, if I did I'd definitely post the failures I've had to get corrections. I've tweaked my strategy a bit and tried moving around the screen in large circles, I'm also pinpointing exactly when to fire the EMP and Electronic Warfare.

 

Even with these tweaks I've only barely managed to complete a few of the missions. The aforementioned Lorta Escort, and now Kanz Minefield (this took me nearly 20+ tries...and I still barely beat it) and Cha Raaba Assault.

 

I guess the key is to continue practicing until I have it all down pat...

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It's WAI. The mouse targeting determines your "base" position; the keyboard input determines your position relative to your "base" position, as determined by your targeting reticule. Using the mouse to aim and your keyboard to move around (most often, I just do big circles) allows you to maintain fire on a target while still avoiding incoming fire. It's not really needed for the non-heroic missions, but, on the heroic missions it's pretty much required: if you're not moving while there are enemies on the screen, you're taking a lot of damage that you're supposed avoid through dodging, and, if you're not focusing blaster and missile fire on you enemies, you're not going to take enough of them out to finish.

 

Wow...I had no idea you could do that. I just use my mouse and proper timing of shield regen vs. blaster boost. I'll have to try this, but usually I do just fine using only a mouse.

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There's only once place I find keypad movement helpful--the bombers on the Station Defense mission. The move-and-aim combo lets you burn them down with guns only without taking much damage. Makes the later part much easier.

 

Everywhere else, mouse movement alone is plenty.

 

Incidentally, I found a far superior approach to the Station Assault than what I had been using before. If you completely destroy the first frigate at the beginning of the mission and then take out all the high position satellites before the sith/jedi ship first shows up, then you get a free, easy look at a torpedo shot on the comm array you wouldn't otherwise get. Very helpful; makes the whole mission a snap. Like the lower level station assaults, you end up flying around waiting to drop off one last torpedo at the end of the mission (the bridge of the captial ship in this case).

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Wow...I had no idea you could do that. I just use my mouse and proper timing of shield regen vs. blaster boost. I'll have to try this, but usually I do just fine using only a mouse.

 

The first few times I was doing the heroic missions, I relied entirely on mouse targeting/avoidance (which cut down *very heavily* on my attack uptime considering the incoming damage) and (ab)using the Conversion Module/EMP/ECM, but couldn't often manage to get full clears on all of the bonus missions and often scraped by with only a sliver of armor left. As soon as I started using WASD, I started clearing all of the heroic space missions without ever really taking any damage. The WASD isn't really *required*, but it makes those missions *so much easier*. The only thing I *don't* use is the barrel roll, and that's because I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually do anything except look slightly amusing.

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I think the difficulty is just right. I found it hard at first, and I know people have done them in Grade 6 gear, but I'm not that uber and I think full Grade 7 is more realistic to make sure you have before you do these. Which the OP does have, I'm just sayin'.

 

But yeah. They're hard at first. It's frustrating after the other ones were so easy, I sympathize. Then after a bunch of times you start actually living, maybe not completing the objectives but at least you made it, and then you live more and more, and one day you're finding that you're not only killing it but consistently getting all the bonus objectives too. You just have to persist. It all occurs the same way every time so it's a matter of memorization more than anything.

 

I think the difficulty is right because even after you reach 100% completion on everything, you can't sleep through them like you could with the previous top 3. If you're not on it you'll get killed or miss the objectives. As it should be.

 

As a soon to be Hyperspace Legend, I think that the essential skill is having faith in what's going to happen when you pull the trigger and NOT waiting to SEE it happen. If you're aiming at a turret and you put the button down and hear/see your ship fire four shots, release the button and target your next turret right then. Those four shots will hit the turret and it will blow. You know it and you don't need to waste seconds to watch the shots impact. Target the next turret and squeeze off another four, don't bother to watch that it worked, just have faith, rinse and repeat. Eventually you'll get good enough at this that you're killing most fighters that way too.

 

Similarly if you volleyed missiles at four things you KNOW blow up with just one missile, like most fighters and ship turrets, don't bother continuing to fire at any of those four things the missiles are going to. The missiles don't need your help then. You should be shooting at other stuff the missiles aren't currently on their way to. On things that just have a pile of hit points like bombers, yeah, missile and shoot it if you can afford the missiles, but don't waste your shots where you don't have to.

 

Anyway. I like space. Sometimes it's the only thing I get to do in a given week when I'm busy, so I like that they upped the reward credits in 2.0, they should never have nerfed them to begin with. Helps a lot with keeping up with operating costs when you don't have time to play more.

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They are certainly more difficult than previous missions. What I like is that you can't just take it in the face like you could with previous missions, it actually requires you to coordinate your abilities and move around. I complete these daily and the weekly when it falls due. I'm glad that not every man and his dog will have the space titles tbh.

 

My advice to you is to rewatch the vids on these missions for what you are obviously missing.

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I think the difficulty is just right. I found it hard at first, and I know people have done them in Grade 6 gear, but I'm not that uber and I think full Grade 7 is more realistic to make sure you have before you do these. Which the OP does have, I'm just sayin'.

 

But yeah. They're hard at first. It's frustrating after the other ones were so easy, I sympathize. Then after a bunch of times you start actually living, maybe not completing the objectives but at least you made it, and then you live more and more, and one day you're finding that you're not only killing it but consistently getting all the bonus objectives too. You just have to persist. It all occurs the same way every time so it's a matter of memorization more than anything.

 

I think the difficulty is right because even after you reach 100% completion on everything, you can't sleep through them like you could with the previous top 3. If you're not on it you'll get killed or miss the objectives. As it should be.

 

As a soon to be Hyperspace Legend, I think that the essential skill is having faith in what's going to happen when you pull the trigger and NOT waiting to SEE it happen. If you're aiming at a turret and you put the button down and hear/see your ship fire four shots, release the button and target your next turret right then. Those four shots will hit the turret and it will blow. You know it and you don't need to waste seconds to watch the shots impact. Target the next turret and squeeze off another four, don't bother to watch that it worked, just have faith, rinse and repeat. Eventually you'll get good enough at this that you're killing most fighters that way too.

 

Similarly if you volleyed missiles at four things you KNOW blow up with just one missile, like most fighters and ship turrets, don't bother continuing to fire at any of those four things the missiles are going to. The missiles don't need your help then. You should be shooting at other stuff the missiles aren't currently on their way to. On things that just have a pile of hit points like bombers, yeah, missile and shoot it if you can afford the missiles, but don't waste your shots where you don't have to.

 

Anyway. I like space. Sometimes it's the only thing I get to do in a given week when I'm busy, so I like that they upped the reward credits in 2.0, they should never have nerfed them to begin with. Helps a lot with keeping up with operating costs when you don't have time to play more.

 

Thanks for this. It really did give me a pick me up and helped. With that I am happy to report I finally completed every single mission, with much difficulty, but with a big sigh of relief as well. I imagine it will get easier from here?

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Thanks for this. It really did give me a pick me up and helped. With that I am happy to report I finally completed every single mission, with much difficulty, but with a big sigh of relief as well. I imagine it will get easier from here?

 

Good job. Congrats.

 

This Thread should be linked to anyone who will ask devs to nerf space missions.

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Thanks for this. It really did give me a pick me up and helped. With that I am happy to report I finally completed every single mission, with much difficulty, but with a big sigh of relief as well. I imagine it will get easier from here?

 

Told ya OP :)

 

Congrats!!! Now start working on those bonuses -- you get achievements for each one you complete!

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... The only thing I *don't* use is the barrel roll, and that's because I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually do anything except look slightly amusing.

I could be imagining it (it's been known to happen ;)) but if I've A'ed to the left and moused to the left, then move the mouse to the right and press D and then barrel roll it seems to increase the chances of missing enemy gunfire. (As opposed to barrel roll in place which seems to do nothing)

 

After getting comfortable with the heroic space missions, I happened to run Drexel Sweep on a toon I was leveling. Previously, this mission used to be moderately difficult when not overgeared. But I managed to dodge enemy fire so well that I didn't take a single tick of shield damage until I reached the first capital ship.

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I think I would agree on the helpfulness of barrel rolls. I think that you kind of expect that it does something magical, like you're invulnerable to blaster fire for the 2 seconds or less that the ship is rolling, but that is obviously not the case.

 

I believe at this point that it really actually does what it does. It's not just a cute graphical effect. It really will evade an incoming shot because your ship really is moving and so is its hitbox. In other words if a shot was coming at your dead center and you rolled at the right moment, the shot would miss because you were rotating around that center point. It's a real dodge and not a fake one.

 

Thing is that incoming fire happens so fast, and the ship is so big relative to the screen, and the roll loop so tight, that you can just as easily roll into a blaster bolt that wasn't going to hit you, as you can roll out of a bolt that was.

 

I think the end result is what's already been said--it tends to be helpful but not by very much most times, and it's not necessary to use at all to have 100% completion on these missions.

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Takes few tries to get the pointers and tacs that u should mind about for each mission and then its just repeating as before. Still its funny for a change that u can die if you don't focus!

 

So seemed hard at first... now just part of the daily routine. :)

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I got my reputation maxed to Legend status last week. I ran all the Heroics everyday and have gotten quite good at all of them. However.....I am noticing since I got my rep to Legend the missions are more difficult. Did these get buffed or something? I am not doing anything different and have not changed any of the ship upgrades. Is it bugged perhaps? It seems like I am not doing the same amount of damage as I was before. I don't get it. I have all of these missions down pat and its pissing me off I can't finish them when I had no problems before. Anyone experience this?
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I got my reputation maxed to Legend status last week. I ran all the Heroics everyday and have gotten quite good at all of them. However.....I am noticing since I got my rep to Legend the missions are more difficult. Did these get buffed or something? I am not doing anything different and have not changed any of the ship upgrades. Is it bugged perhaps? It seems like I am not doing the same amount of damage as I was before. I don't get it. I have all of these missions down pat and its pissing me off I can't finish them when I had no problems before. Anyone experience this?

 

Try checking the "Space Missions Broken in 1.7.3" thread. All your questions would be answered.

 

There's even a dev post floating around about the issue somewhere.

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Heroic Space Missions arent too hard. They are a challenge if you never did them before, but after completing them a few times its just as easy as any other space mission. Basically the key to finishing a heroic space mission is timely use of invul and blast. If you cant figure out the timing yourself watch some youtube videos.

 

As a player with max space reputation and Hyperspace Legend title I can truthfully say "NO THEY ARE NOT TOO HARD!", I can do every one of them with all side missions no problem. Just accept the challenge and l2p. :cool:

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Ha ha gratz OP :jawa_smile: !!!

 

I was kind of in the same boat or almost, like a few weeks ago. I could only complete Lorta/Hypori, New Cov/Kanz and Regnant/far Craddle, and even then it took me a while to learn them.

 

But really I was at a point I thought I'd never ever be able to finish the last 3... Eventually I did persevere, after a week break, and tried to see where I'd have to place the EWP and EMP, and most of the time, for those 3 missions there are "mandatory" moments... I mean : right off the bat using both EWP and EMP during Baros/Duma ? After I tried that it went sooooooo much smoothly ha ha !!!

 

Now am happily doing all 6 with 6 different toons (lol) and really enjoying them... Funnily the one that I completed 4th (with all the bombers, Ardis/Kabal is it ?) thinking I could never ever complete the 5th (Baros/Duma) and 6th (Thanium/Cha Rabaa), at the time, is now the one am still failing here and there.

(oh lol : this morning I failed Lorta twice btw...)

 

Also I can't use the WASD thing because am on a a keyboard that isn't setup like english keyboards...

So for me it's only mouse and space bar for movement.

 

About what Kitru said earlier about the barrel roll, while am at it :

 

It does do something, it's just a little lateral speed boost, kinda like the WASD moves except it doesn't place you back when you release the key : hope it makes sense.

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Gonna try the WASD thing tonight, I have been beating my head against these missions the past 3 days with full G7. I also bound them to a character who ran no space missions, so I need to do the weaker ones to get 50 coms to buy the proton torpedo... since the G7 packs didn't have one! Wish I would have known this prior to binding them... oh well. Thinking about downgrading the beam gen to the one below it, for 10 shots per second. I'm really only doing this for the rep, As I want to get legend with everything.
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I also find some of these missions really hard. Currently i have all my spaceship items leveled up to 5. Im level 44. I currently can't get past 2 level 42 space missions. Nothing works. Even when my shield regenerates after i stop firing i get blown away. Especially one mission. I just start and about a minute in im down. Haven't a clue what im doing wrong. Nothing was hard up to these two missions. Like i said im level 44 and those two missions are level 42. Can't understand why they are very difficult. I should not have this much trouble with level 42 space missions when im level 44 with top upgraded ship parts for my rank. Currently im at a roadblock with it.
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Original post is 7 years old and its as true now as it was 7 years ago. Space missions are borderline impossible. Yes, some people can stick it out and have the hand eye coordination of a navy seal, but for most of us, this part of the game is a wreck. Its cute, and its fun to try periodically to see if you can get lucky. But that's all it is. You run the same mission about 20-25 times and the right series of coincidences will take place and you'll win. Most of the time, you just die, rinse, repeat. Edited by OThumblefoot
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Original post is 7 years old and its as true now as it was 7 years ago. Space missions are borderline impossible. Yes, some people can stick it out and have the hand eye coordination of a navy seal, but for most of us, this part of the game is a wreck. Its cute, and its fun to try periodically to see if you can get lucky. But that's all it is. You run the same mission about 20-25 times and the right series of coincidences will take place and you'll win. Most of the time, you just die, rinse, repeat.

 

I haven't done the former heroic grade 7 missions lately so maybe the scaling is actually out of whack these days, but back then apart from the grade 7 equipment being necessary in at least half your slots, it was about just learning them for the most part, know when to use the energy for shield, when for firing, when that evasion thing or the EMP is needed, when to barrel roll and roll and roll instead of just flying up an down. Some of the grade 7 missions are also harder than others, that icefield was a love hate for me, it wass fun but needed my full attention the whole time, while the one with the capital ship was a lot easier after developing sort of a rotation of defensive abilities, rolls attacking and stuff.

 

What I noticed flying one of the easier missions recently, the movement didn't work properly, I could fly up and down with w and s but not left or right with a and d, and as that is already causing you to take a lot of damage in the easy missions it probably cause a fast end of the mission with the more difficult ones where evading hostile fire is essential. Can't say though if that is just for me because I changed normal character strafe to those instead of their default q and e or if that is a general problem connected to how you move in GSF bleeding into the solo space missions. Since I couldn't find space mission keybinds other than for GSF when looking for them, I just used the arrow keys when retrying the mission and it worked properly with them.

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Original post is 7 years old and its as true now as it was 7 years ago. Space missions are borderline impossible. Yes, some people can stick it out and have the hand eye coordination of a navy seal, but for most of us, this part of the game is a wreck. Its cute, and its fun to try periodically to see if you can get lucky. But that's all it is. You run the same mission about 20-25 times and the right series of coincidences will take place and you'll win. Most of the time, you just die, rinse, repeat.

 

Its good to check some

which are on youtube on this. It really helps to see how to do it. Keep in mind that once you get it done you will just be repeating the same pattern over and over. It will become too easy then. But as it was pointed out some still require full attention.

 

Have all things you need, top equipment, the most number of missles, all the power ups to evade enemies, swap power from lasers to shields etc. If you miss just one, you will not make it. If you need help with a specific level just let me know I can make you a video now to show how to do it.

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