badou Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 why is the no cd force lighting in madness tree when it should be in lighting tree this is a loss of dps and it is really stupid :@ all the force lighting cd and procs and the rest should be in the lighting tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazraven Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 The Lightning tree is based around damage spells, not damage over time spells. Force Lightning is a channeled damage over time spell used by the Madness tree. Lightning Strike serves the same purpose in the Lightning tree. Lightning Barrage makes Force Lightning behave like a Lightning Strike. So, the design is right on point. If you want to use Force Lightning as a Lightning Sorc, go hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badou Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 the point is you shouldnt go hybrid.now in pvp the only spec that does almost ok dmg is madness and if they did some twiks here and there lighting could be veryyyyy viable like making force lighting no cd on the tree of no pushback or at least put some more dmg on the rest of the spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 sorc have really good damg lol you want more for us ? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerJBD Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 That's just not the way the trees are designed. Madness is designed around Force Lightning both as a filler spell and as the trigger for Wrath procs, which make Crushing Darkness hit hard and tie the spec together. Lightning is designed around Lightning Strike as a filler that gives you the procs you need. If they wanted to give the lightning spec spammable force lightning, they would essentially need to re-design the entire tree so that procs came from force lightning instead of lightning strike. And that would make lightning strike completely useless for any spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badou Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 they can at least put it 1 tier down so you can take it and take also the 31 points in lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaldoA Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hybrid madness/lightning for DPS + some survivability full madness for good DPS, provided you're left relatively alone to deal continual damage from DoTs I do enjoy full madness as it's fun to run around spreading 3 dots on people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerJBD Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 they can at least put it 1 tier down so you can take it and take also the 31 points in lighting Even if they did, it wouldn't help the Lightning spec. If you started using force lightning instead of lightning strike, you would be missing out on your procs in the lightning tree and gimping your DPS. Each spec needs one filler spell. Lightning's is Lightning Stirke. If you want to use force lightning, go Madness or hybrid. That simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anosa Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 the lightning tree needs to be tweaked to be burst dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwkingms Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 i do very well as hybrid i absolutely hate full madness creeping terror is a joke for dmg and the u run out of force way too much as hyrbid im very active, do a lot of dmg and hardly run out of force 400,500,600 k dmg are regular occurrences for me and im baffled if i dont lead the warzone in dmg and in sorc's current state, if we're not healing we might as well put up flashy numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 That's just not the way the trees are designed. Madness is designed around Force Lightning both as a filler spell and as the trigger for Wrath procs, which make Crushing Darkness hit hard and tie the spec together. Lightning is designed around Lightning Strike as a filler that gives you the procs you need. If they wanted to give the lightning spec spammable force lightning, they would essentially need to re-design the entire tree so that procs came from force lightning instead of lightning strike. And that would make lightning strike completely useless for any spec. Good idea- let LS die, and make wrath just proc crushing as well as finish crushing's cooldown. Make crushing stack, or, make it so if you use crushing on someone who already has the dot- it instead does all its damage at once. Suddenly- burst damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerJBD Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Good idea- let LS die, and make wrath just proc crushing as well as finish crushing's cooldown. Make crushing stack, or, make it so if you use crushing on someone who already has the dot- it instead does all its damage at once. Suddenly- burst damage. Sounds like a good idea for madness, although I don't think they need to change lightning strike as the filler for the lightning tree. Just make it more effective. It needs a damage boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralParmesan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 the lightning tree needs to be tweaked to be burst dps. It already is burst dps, its just a "when the stars align" type burst. Still with all the problems our class has against armor mitigation our burst effectiveness isn't really on par with other classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It already is burst dps, its just a "when the stars align" type burst. Still with all the problems our class has against armor mitigation our burst effectiveness isn't really on par with other classes. Considering it's supposed to be a turret spec- you'd think some defensives/CC immunity would be part of it- as well as major armour penetration. Make LS either reduce the target's mitigation, or increase our ArP by 20% per stack, up to 60%- then give maybe as a second or third from top talent 'LS, CL, shock, storm penetrate 30% armour". It wouldn't be too different from other direct damage specs in that sense- and, it wouldn't change our damage much on raid bosses since they're already mitigated for the most part, so we wouldn't become ultra powerful for pve raid dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verfallen Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 What is the potential effect of switching Lighning strike and Force Lightning to elemental damage? That would mean the sorc in PvP pretty much doesn't mitigate anything, but is also NOT mitigated, making it an effective ranged tank killer (force/elemental), with PT pyro being a melee style of it. On raids, our damage would rise up to, i think, the other dps numbers since raid boss typically have a lot of armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralParmesan Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 What is the potential effect of switching Lighning strike and Force Lightning to elemental damage? That would mean the sorc in PvP pretty much doesn't mitigate anything, but is also NOT mitigated, making it an effective ranged tank killer (force/elemental), with PT pyro being a melee style of it. On raids, our damage would rise up to, i think, the other dps numbers since raid boss typically have a lot of armor. Something along this line should be done in my opinion. Giving us armor pen above 25% would be overpowered and making lightning strike elemental and crushing darkness internal would be a big help. I don't personally feel force lightning should be internal as it already delivers good damage. I would kill for chain lightning to have some armor pen though And as its been mentioned before we need a defensive cooldown (waiting for bioware to ignore this ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerJBD Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 You would also have to make TK throw damage internal, obviously. I'm not sure if that is a realistic idea or not. Dots and thundering blast are already internal damage, they just need to hit a bit harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladnar Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 why is the no cd force lighting in madness tree when it should be in lighting tree this is a loss of dps and it is really stupid :@ all the force lighting cd and procs and the rest should be in the lighting tree. When first moving up to 50 on sorcs i thought this too, i wanted to play lighning, im not mad i thought, but with dots not really doing enough damage if you took this from madness it would be useless.....personally, id like to see them both have it.....id like to see dots hit harder and both have endless free leccie. Lets see what the expansion brings eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Spectre Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 i do very well as hybrid Can you share your build? I'd like to compare it to mine and see if I can tweek mine a bit for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantemoq Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 madness without the root from creeping terror is a free kill in warzones. the only thing you do as hybrid is force linghting, and affliction on everyone to boost your numbers at the end (but in fact you are hurting your own team more then your help becuase with every enemy beeing dotted, 8sec ccs become impossible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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