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[SPOILERS] The Order of Zildrog, Valkorion and Vitiate: They Are All Connected

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[SPOILERS] The Order of Zildrog, Valkorion and Vitiate: They Are All Connected

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devilkat
12.05.2017 , 03:20 PM | #11
So, a couple of questions (I'm not trying to poke holes in anything, just want to hear your take on it ). When we run the Emperor off of Yavin, was that his Valkoian side or Vitiate side? Or was it both and hadn't split yet? If so, how did Valkorian turn into the immortal Emperor if he didn't have the immortal soul while it was locked away on Yavin? He talks about finding Valkorian as a powerful warrior eons before, and that he had hollowed him out for a vessel. If they are split, why isn't his other body already up and walking around? There was no ritual on Yavin to wake him up, death and destruction did that. Wouldn't all of the death caused by Arcan and Vaylin have woken the other part, if he was split already?
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12.05.2017 , 06:01 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by devilkat View Post
So, a couple of questions (I'm not trying to poke holes in anything, just want to hear your take on it ). When we run the Emperor off of Yavin, was that his Valkoian side or Vitiate side? Or was it both and hadn't split yet? If so, how did Valkorian turn into the immortal Emperor if he didn't have the immortal soul while it was locked away on Yavin? He talks about finding Valkorian as a powerful warrior eons before, and that he had hollowed him out for a vessel. If they are split, why isn't his other body already up and walking around? There was no ritual on Yavin to wake him up, death and destruction did that. Wouldn't all of the death caused by Arcan and Vaylin have woken the other part, if he was split already?
Maybe he was focused on the Outlander? He didn't want to go back to 'his' body when there was another potential host on order?
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12.05.2017 , 10:33 PM | #13
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Maybe he was focused on the Outlander? He didn't want to go back to 'his' body when there was another potential host on order?
I meant beforehand. He doesn't even know who you are before Yavin (with the possible exception of the JK and SW), but the Immortal Emperor has been around since Zakul was founded practically. If he was bound on Yavin, how did he build Zakul? If he wasn't, what was the point of SoR?
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Paulsutherland
12.06.2017 , 02:47 AM | #14
Introduce the other 6 characters to the Emperor?

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Ylliarus
12.07.2017 , 04:00 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by devilkat View Post
So, a couple of questions (I'm not trying to poke holes in anything, just want to hear your take on it ). When we run the Emperor off of Yavin, was that his Valkoian side or Vitiate side? Or was it both and hadn't split yet? If so, how did Valkorian turn into the immortal Emperor if he didn't have the immortal soul while it was locked away on Yavin? He talks about finding Valkorian as a powerful warrior eons before, and that he had hollowed him out for a vessel. If they are split, why isn't his other body already up and walking around? There was no ritual on Yavin to wake him up, death and destruction did that. Wouldn't all of the death caused by Arcan and Vaylin have woken the other part, if he was split already?
When we run the Emperor off of Yavin, was that his Valkoian side or Vitiate side? Or was it both and hadn't split yet? If so, how did Valkorian turn into the immortal Emperor if he didn't have the immortal soul while it was locked away on Yavin?

If you look at what both people in the Sith Empire have been saying as well as what Senya tells you about Valkorion in the Lady of Sorrows chapter, my answer would be the following: I'd argue that what we chased off from Yavin was his Vitiate side. The split, or at least, partial split, must have occured already before Yavin and even before the Voss part in the Sith Warrior storyline. In the Sith Empire it was said the Emperor had long periods of silence. This isn't elaborated on in detail, so we don't know if the Emperor was completely silent or whether he still had a minimum fraction of attention. Personally I think it's the latter because he must have been directing the Emperor's Hand and Imperial Guard.
Senya on the other hand tells us that when the children were growing up Valkorion grew to be increasingly more cold and distant. According to Charles Boyd this matches up with the time that the Sith Emperor was trapped by Baras on Voss. Yet, Senya didn't say "Valkorion's body sat lifelessly on a throne staring in front of him". She said "increasingly cold and distant". That means there must have been some sort of duality present, as he controlled both Vitiate and Valkorion at the same time. The same applies for other periods as well, he was both running the Sith Empire (albeit distantly) as well as the Eternal Empire. Perhaps this wasn't a true split in duality as with Revan yet and I think that a permanent split where Vitiate and Valkorion are truly separated happened when the aspect of Valkorion was destroyed.

To truly understand however the Sith Emperor's immortality we'd need to get more information on what had happened on Nathema during, prior to and after the ritual that made him immortal. We have to understand that the amount of power he amassed through that ritual is of an immense magnitude, one that might be difficult to understand in terms of power and strength in the Force due to its sheer magnitude. Keep in mind that Emperor Palpatine, considered to be the most powerful Sith Lord in Legends continuity, wasn't able to live longer than a century, maybe a tad longer. Both he and Vitiate mastered the power of Transfer Essence yet Vitiate's lifespan eclipses Palpatine's a dozen times. 1300 years vs 120-ish years. That says something about what the ritual on Nathema did to Vitiate. It therefore wouldn't surprise me if that magnitude of power was too much for 1 individual to handle, thus a split or multiple splits occurred in his existence. After all, he consumed the lifeforce of millions on Nathema and then again millions on Ziost. That must have had an effect on his individuality.

He talks about finding Valkorian as a powerful warrior eons before, and that he had hollowed him out for a vessel. If they are split, why isn't his other body already up and walking around?

The first reason for that would be that there was simply no need for his original Pureblood body of Tenebrae to be up and about. He had abandoned the Sith Empire to the Dark Council already subsequent to Ziost, he was no longer interested in leading it or being associated with it. To have his original be up and about within the Empire or anywhere else would have been a waste of time and attention basically, as he was focused on the showdown on Zakuul and later trying to hollow out the Commander/Outlander.
The second reason was his fear of death and his fear of losing his original body. Keep in mind, Valkorion was the last body (excluding his original body) that remained and that he could possess. Look at how easily that corporeal form was destroyed in the very beginning of KotFE. Yes, the death of the Valkorion body was intended, but nonetheless the last body that was out there that he could make his vessel was his original body of Tenebrae. If I were the Sith Emperor I would not only hide it very securely but also not touch it out of an insane fear of losing it. My last connection to the physical realm? No, I wouldn't carelessly transfer myself back into it unless it was utterly necessary or when I'd have a solid plan and be 100% convinced it was safe to.

There was no ritual on Yavin to wake him up, death and destruction did that. Wouldn't all of the death caused by Arcan and Vaylin have woken the other part, if he was split already?

Perhaps that was the very reason why he initiated the conflict between the Eternal Empire, Republic and Empire in the first place and later the conflict between the Alliance and Eternal Empire. Perhaps it was all to fuel himself and by extension his original pureblood body of Tenebrae partially. Remember what Arcann said after chapter 8 Asylum? He said something along the lines of "I have felt father's power, it is weaker". The fact his Valkorion body was destroyed must have had a more severe impact on the Sith Emperor than he had expected. Remember the message we got from the Hand when we destroy his Voice as the Jedi Knight on Dromund Kaas? Supposedly he was severely weakened by it as well and had to rest on Yavin as it appeared.
It wouldn't surprise me that Valkorion instigated all this conflict much alike he had with the Great Galactic War to fuel himself and his remaining presences throughout the galaxy. Yet, it backfired and against all his expectations the Commander/Outlander was able to best and defeat him. This was not something he had accounted for and his aspect of Valkorion was destroyed. Yet, if indeed Vitiate is another aspect of him then that one lays dormant with his original body according to my theory. If Valkorion was destroyed and Vitiate was dormant, then part of his ability to switch aspects in his duality would be completely lost because the two aspects in the duality are permanently split. Having instigated war in the galaxy again with the Eternal Empire conquest and afterwards Revolt against the Eternal Empire wouldn't have been enough to sustain or revitalise Vitiate, which was rendered dormant when he was focusing his existence with his aspect of Valkorion. Either a significant ritual performed by the Order of Zildrog (perhaps infiltrated and manipulated by the Emperor's Hand which is still around) or another Ziost would be able to reawaken Vitiate and thus, by the Heralds of Zildrog's prophecy, reawaken Zildrog to rain death upon Zakuul. Zakuul is heavily populated, sounds like a wonderful meal to the Immortal Consumer, no?
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12.07.2017 , 01:05 PM | #16
Lol you've clearly thought this through a great deal. I enjoy reading your thoughts . Give me a minute and I'll think of a few more questions
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12.07.2017 , 02:57 PM | #17
Even tho i appreciate that they are taking advantage of the whole Zildrog/Izax/Tenebrae thing, i would not like them to just bring back Vitiate that way, it would be just lazy, i mean, i would enjoy when there's a threat that was left by Vitiate in case he would die (aka: The Superweapon) because that way we can get a new villain and at the same time building a connection to the previous one, sorta like how Tim Zahn made Joruus C'baoth and the Spaarti Cylinders in the Trawn Trilogy, without bringing The Emperor back.

And if they do something like making Vitiate and Valkorion different personalities like what they did with Revan it would be very bad, first off, that Revan thing was just stupid story-wise, and second, they would grab all of the complexity that Vitiate has as a character and as a manipulator and throw it in the dumpster, it's clear by the final confrontation we had with him that his gentler persona was mostly an act to make us listen to him, and making it like the "good side" and "bad side" of Revan would ruin his storyline and what he meant in the KOTFE and KOTET storyline.

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Ylliarus
12.08.2017 , 02:05 AM | #18
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Lol you've clearly thought this through a great deal. I enjoy reading your thoughts . Give me a minute and I'll think of a few more questions
I'll gladly answer any questions! there are 2 characters that intrigue me beyond anything: Valkorion and Kreia. I love reading up on them and theorize about them as a result!
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Yesterday , 06:59 PM | #19
I also want to point out about the use of Valkorion's music theme. I noticed it during the spy grappling boss fight before the temple (forgot her name - sister to Valss). I think the music is not new, but reused from FEET. It certainly set the ominous tone while I was heading to the temple to have my heart broken again, ahahahaha.

While I don't know Valkorion himself will make an appearance, I don't think the plot device that is the Sith Emporer will disappear so easily.

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devilkat
Yesterday , 11:42 PM | #20
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I also want to point out about the use of Valkorion's music theme. I noticed it during the spy grappling boss fight before the temple (forgot her name - sister to Valss). I think the music is not new, but reused from FEET. It certainly set the ominous tone while I was heading to the temple to have my heart broken again, ahahahaha.

While I don't know Valkorion himself will make an appearance, I don't think the plot device that is the Sith Emporer will disappear so easily.
Huh. I seem to miss a lot playing with the music turned off. I need to stop doing that...
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