Melon Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Is it just me or is this class way too op. My main problem is how quickly they can heal themselves in such large amounts on a continuous basis (600 force! While my trooper has 12 ammo....). There large amount of force also allows them to use more of their powers much for often then other class I know of. An example was when 5 players in my ops group tried taking down one of these to only heal himself in large quanties despite the massive amounts of damage he was taking and only to be saved by reinforcing imperials. It's quite much no? Knowing how other classes do not have an advantage like this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkyBazaar Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) UUMMM Try fighting troopers or smugglers, they can out heal an assassin damage then disappear apparantly timer free with multiple stuns Edited January 19, 2012 by SilkyBazaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomxi Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 UUMMM Try fighting troopers or smugglers, they can out heal an assain damage then disappear apparantly timer free with multiple stuns I see you have no clue about Troopers they don't get to disappear... and sorcs need a nerf bat. Class that has full on shield/dps/healing needs to be one, other or third not all of the above. I wouldn't call it a nerf as much as focusing them into proper role. Couple of other classes fit that criteria too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejita Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 troopers sages and smugglers all have huge delays on their skills whill the empire counter parts have instantaneous skills, almost doubling their dps against the republic, the game is hugely bugged in favor of empire and you are simply biased or uneducated to say otherwies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lugh Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You aren't interrupting them correctly then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 troopers sages and smugglers all have huge delays on their skills whill the empire counter parts have instantaneous skills, almost doubling their dps against the republic, the game is hugely bugged in favor of empire and you are simply biased or uneducated to say otherwies Double DPS because of a 1 second delay on 1 ability? You sound ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lullaby_ Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The DPS difference between the classes because of delays is zero. Absolutely nothing. A very few abilities go off quicker and I'm sure that will be changed... but to say that it gives a dps increase is a ridiculous claim. Everyone has the same global cooldown. No one is firing more abilities and the abilities do the same damage. Shock going off faster gives a slight advantage in certain situations, but absolutely no DPS increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axeldrion Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The fact that you think Inqs are worse compared to the constant Trooper heals? And Pretty much every Jedi has some sort of shield that makes them absorb everything. **** troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lullaby_ Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (600 force! While my trooper has 12 ammo....) Are you seriously trying to compare different mechanics? It's not like their heals cost 3 force. I think Sorcerers are indeed the most powerful pvp healers right now, but if you are trying to make an argument, leave dumb statements out if you want to be taken seriously. Unless you are trolling... then, by all means, continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Solace- Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Is it just me or is this class way too op. My main problem is how quickly they can heal themselves in such large amounts on a continuous basis (600 force! While my trooper has 12 ammo....). There large amount of force also allows them to use more of their powers much for often then other class I know of. An example was when 5 players in my ops group tried taking down one of these to only heal himself in large quanties despite the massive amounts of damage he was taking and only to be saved by reinforcing imperials. It's quite much no? Knowing how other classes do not have an advantage like this at all. WAAAAAAAA you got beat by an Inquisitor. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 FYI vanguards (my class) do not have heals and sith have a shield that absorbs everything too. I've never seen a jedi sage or commando out-heal a sorceror before. They seem unstoppable. They're only class I have great difficulty defeating and on my server since about half of them in a warzone are sorceres anyways the win loss for us is like 1:5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parckie Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The DPS difference between the classes because of delays is zero. Absolutely nothing. A very few abilities go off quicker and I'm sure that will be changed... but to say that it gives a dps increase is a ridiculous claim. Everyone has the same global cooldown. No one is firing more abilities and the abilities do the same damage. Shock going off faster gives a slight advantage in certain situations, but absolutely no DPS increase. So if my ability goes off a second slower than my opponent, he gets more attacks. How do you disagree? If you do pve, and your clipping spells which makes your next cast a second slower, then compared if you dont clip, you get significant more dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarosen Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Is it just me or is this class way too op. My main problem is how quickly they can heal themselves in such large amounts on a continuous basis (600 force! While my trooper has 12 ammo....). There large amount of force also allows them to use more of their powers much for often then other class I know of. An example was when 5 players in my ops group tried taking down one of these to only heal himself in large quanties despite the massive amounts of damage he was taking and only to be saved by reinforcing imperials. It's quite much no? Knowing how other classes do not have an advantage like this at all. All classes are mirrored. i see just as many sages as inquisitors. "Nerf rock, paper is fine." -scissors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) So if my ability goes off a second slower than my opponent, he gets more attacks. How do you disagree? It's an attack with a cooldown, which means that delay doesn't matter. If you do pve, and your clipping spells which makes your next cast a second slower, then compared if you dont clip, you get significant more dps. Clipping project doesn't stop the rock. I do it all the time. Edited January 19, 2012 by Caelrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomxi Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The DPS difference between the classes because of delays is zero. Absolutely nothing. A very few abilities go off quicker and I'm sure that will be changed... but to say that it gives a dps increase is a ridiculous claim. Everyone has the same global cooldown. No one is firing more abilities and the abilities do the same damage. Shock going off faster gives a slight advantage in certain situations, but absolutely no DPS increase. It is difference between getting that kill shot and enemy getting the heal off. For example Energy Blast vanguard shield spec top skill. Instant? **** no! You press it and hope it goes off, so yes DPS is affected by the delay. Also delay affects GCD because its gets messed up by the delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Are you seriously trying to compare different mechanics? It's not like their heals cost 3 force. I think Sorcerers are indeed the most powerful pvp healers right now, but if you are trying to make an argument, leave dumb statements out if you want to be taken seriously. Unless you are trolling... then, by all means, continue. My abilities take about 2 to 3 ammo to use, that's about 4 attacks before I either recharge or reload. With 600 force, I've seen them be able to use more powers much more often then we troopers do (not sure but I swear I saw that it costs them like 25-35 force to use their heals). Edited January 19, 2012 by Melon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Def need the nerf bat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 WAAAAAAAA you got beat by an Inquisitor. Get over it. WAAAAAA you got offended by a thread. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lullaby_ Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 So if my ability goes off a second slower than my opponent, he gets more attacks. How do you disagree? If you do pve, and your clipping spells which makes your next cast a second slower, then compared if you dont clip, you get significant more dps. The travel time of telekinetic throw doesn't have anything to do with your GCD. The difference between shock and telekinetic throw is the main thing people seem to be complaining about, right? In PvE it shouldn't matter at all. In pvp the delay before the damage is obviously a disadvantage in certain situations, but over time there isn't a damage difference. Give a Shadow and an Assassin 9 seconds to press buttons, if they are equally geared and use the same abilities, they are doing the exact same damage because they get to use the exact same number of abilities. There is no cast time on telekinetic throw influencing the GCD, just a delay before the damage hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lullaby_ Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) My abilities take about 2 to 3 ammo to use, that's about 4 attacks before I either recharge or reload. With 600 force, I've seen them be able to use more powers much more often then we troopers do (not sure but I swear I saw that it costs them like 25-35 force to use their heals). Are you spec'd into healing? Supercharge cell gives Advanced Medical Probe no cooldown (2 Ammo). whenever you use that heal, your next Medical Probe is reduced by 2 ammo through the Field Triage talent, giving you a 1 ammo heal. Bacta Infusion is a very large heal with a long cooldown and zero ammo cost. I'm not disagreeing that Sorcerers and Sages are amazing healers in pvp. They have to worry less about their energy mechanic and can throw out their largest heals in succession for longer than you can. But over an extended fight, with your mechanic managed well, Commandos and Mercenaries are very good healers. Edited January 19, 2012 by Lullaby_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddahXX Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 FYI vanguards (my class) do not have heals and sith have a shield that absorbs everything too. I've never seen a jedi sage or commando out-heal a sorceror before. They seem unstoppable. They're only class I have great difficulty defeating and on my server since about half of them in a warzone are sorceres anyways the win loss for us is like 1:5. as an inq i assure you that the feeling is mutual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathlight- Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Is it just me or is this class way too op. My main problem is how quickly they can heal themselves in such large amounts on a continuous basis (600 force! While my trooper has 12 ammo....). There large amount of force also allows them to use more of their powers much for often then other class I know of. An example was when 5 players in my ops group tried taking down one of these to only heal himself in large quanties despite the massive amounts of damage he was taking and only to be saved by reinforcing imperials. It's quite much no? Knowing how other classes do not have an advantage like this at all. I usually hate necros but I found the OP quite amusing considering the current "heal to full" controversy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraz Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I usually hate necros but I found the OP quite amusing considering the current "heal to full" controversy I agree. I wonder if that guy is an undercover Bioware dev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangrar Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Look, we should not nerf inquisitors, unless of course you want the class balance team to do the polar opposite of what they are meant to do and ruin inquisitors (again) to the point a lot less people play them (we all know how they were great when the game started but ruined for a while then brought back into glory finally just for people to want them back into uselessness, make up your minds people) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morde_ Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Nerf concealment dps while we're here! They activate two dps relics and can 2 shot people! And don't get me started about tracer missile. Edited August 28, 2013 by Morde_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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